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Media Got It Wrong: Terrorist proclaimed himself ‘Darwinian,’ not ‘Christian’

Monday, July 25, 2011

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A review of Anders Behring Breivik’s 1,500-page manifesto shows the media’s quick characterization of the Norwegian terrorist as a “Christian” may be as incorrect as it was to call Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh one.

Yet, while McVeigh rejected God altogether, Breivik writes in his manifesto that he is not religious, has doubts about God’s existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe’s “Christian culture” as well as his own pagan Nordic culture.

“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person, as that would be a lie,” he says. “I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think: ‘Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.’ Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people, and many embrace religion for self-serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state [for] example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet.”

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  • DaNangMe

    Not trying to be clever or funny,but that last paragraph sounds like a quote from Bill Maher.

    • Captain PJ

      Yesterday, many were trying to emphasis his “Christian” roots while vehimently denying any connection to Islam, other than the suspect was trying to instigate a race war against Muslims.

    • Captain PJ

      Here’s a comment from one of our “favorite”–i’m being faceatious–posters, yesterday, who also jumped to conclusions:

      SaneRepublican says:
      July 23, 2011 at 9:40 pm
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

      Norwegian Police describe Anders Behring Breivik as a ‘right-wing Christian fundamentalist’ while friends reportedly say he had begun voicing increasingly extremist views.


      Btw, didn’t we already see this from you people in Arizon this past January?


    • KSmith

      Let’s go to the source: Unlike Mohammed, Christ never urged his followers to kill people. So where’s the media rage against muslims?

    • Jackie

      Where is the rage of the “peaceful” muslims against the radical muslims?

      (crickets chirping)

      That tells me something loud and clear.

    • Jackie

      This is just SOP from the left isn’t it? Either the liberal media or some dem politicians come out right away and claim the killer is an “extreme right-winger” or they try to ignore the muslim guy’s terrorist ties and then the truth eventually comes out in the real media but by then the attention span of the little lefty kool-aid drinkers has lapsed and they’re on to the next lie being fed to them.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying in your garbled half-sentences.

      Actually, I doubt you know either.

      At any rate, both this murderer and Timothy McVeigh claimed Christianity as their religion. Jesus Christ would disagree with their claim, I’m sure.

    • Harrel Phillips

      Well said Jackie. How true.

    • Jackie

      Basil – Others seemed to have no trouble understanding my comments. By the way, before responding to a article perhaps you should read it, or at least read the title.

    • duif100

      The reply by Basil Buddhacat confirms that your statement is correct.

    • ARMYOF69

      What I find very interesting, is :
      1: He did NOT blow up a MOSQUE
      [ where muslims are]
      2: He did NOT murder any Muslims.
      What does that tell us?
      I leave that up to all who want to see the light.

    • MarkBench

      Interesting…..How convenient that we are to believe that this mass murdering maniac is suddenly a Conservative trying save Europe.

      I fail to make the connection. I expect a political hay truck driven by Hillary any moment.

    • John

      If you want to read a work of fiction, But is realy actual. Read Frank Perretti’s books. If they don’t shake your tree nothing will!!!!!! Go to your local Christian Book store, Please.

    • Whackajig

      PoorJob PJ says “Yesterday, many were trying to emphasis his “Christian” roots while vehimently denying any connection to Islam, other than the suspect was trying to instigate a race war against Muslims.”

      WTF is vehimently? Is that like vehemently? That from the same person who insists that we honor komissar obamavitch by using caps for his name.

      We do have free speech, so even the lesser educated may post, like PJ and make fools of themselves.

    • El Lobo Solo

      @ Captain:

      So the “Viking Warrior” (loosely defined)
      thinks that religion is a cruch.

      He is a great example of a line from the Book of James (i think)

      “The wrath of man does not bring the righteousness of God”

    • The Greatest Good

      Media with an agenda to promote is not what we need. A religion with an agenda of control and supression, especially one created by a warlord to approve of his warlord ways, is yet worse. But what would happen if there was a practical faith built on love, grace and forgiveness–isn’t that what we really need? A faith to believe in that seeks the Greatest Good from a great God; one where we could love with Love’s love!

    • Jackie

      You’re probably right but I don’t watch Bill Maher because I can’t stand the nasty little psycho, but the thought that crossed my mind when reading that paragraph is that his rejection of God doesn’t seem to be working out too well for him.

    • duif100

      I can understand that Bill Maher is upset with God. God did not give him much when he handed out talent.

    • Dennis Patrick Foley

      You know when liberal, angry “comedians” like Bill Maher or what’s her name on “The view”, the black one, speak they show how little of them is really a joke. Whereas, when they speak they spew hatred and anger at those of us who love the Lord. They show how shallow and superfishal their thinking really is. If you go to see them, though I never would, they don’t deliver a comedy routine but a round of hate at whoever their target for the moment is and it’s usally got something to do with Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann, anyone who would openly express love and devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ.
      What a waste of brain cells.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      ROTFLOL&PIMP!!! Too true!

      Shoot. Now where did I stash my clean, dry underwear?

    • JohnGaltTexas

      Or any other secular humanist, earth worshipping, leftist progressive liberal.
      Its fine for them to worship nature, but not to acknowledge its Creator.

    • BUD


    • Jstarusa

      Oh but you can bet on it he will be asking God for help!

  • evolved

    Here’s one thing the media got right: Breivik wants to rid the world of Muslims, a sentiment expressed often from some of the posters on this site. I’m still waiting for a backlash against them from those of you who don’t feel the same way.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      The kind of Christian who espouses killing Muslims is not really a Christian.

      Likewise, the kind of Muslim who would fly a plane into a building containing people of all religious faiths – and citizens from 110 different nations – is not really a Muslim.

      Judge the individual’s behavior – not their claim of religion.

    • Bob

      basil: You are absolutely wrong about the disease of islam. The true muslim does indeed kill others in the name of allah the non-existant. It is called jihad and the true muslim is always involved in jihad of one sort or another. Do not pretend to have knowledge when it is obvious you lack knowledge.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      Bob – ever hear of the word “crusade” ?

      It’s the Christian equivalent for the word “jihad”.

      Murderers are murderers – regardless of what religion they pretend to hide behind.

    • Marianne

      Check “crusade” in the dictionary. It most certainly NOT murder. The Christians of Europe were marching to regain Jerusalem and the “Holy Land” from Saladin NOT just to kill in the name of God! THAT MEANS there is NO comparison to the jihadists.

    • Bob

      For one thing dimbulb, the Crusades were over with hundreds of years ago and jihad is still going on. For another thing,the muslims had invaded Europe long before the Crusades (look up the Battle of Tours” and “Moors”)and the Europeans had good reason to want to destroy this false and aggresive religion. You apparently are either an atheist or one of those fools who believes that all religions are equivalent. You are also very obviously ignorant of history. Like I said earlier, if you are going to comment out of ignorance or deceit, do us all a favor and keep quiet.

    • BUD


    • BUD


    • Whackajig

      I wish that all rag head muslim trash were just like the 9-11 crashers………..DEAD.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      Most Muslims (over 60%, according to major imams’ knowledge of their followers) would NOT agree with your assessment of “real Muslims,” as their Korans TEACH violence as a way of “converting” we “infidels,” if we refuse to get with the program.

      It’s sad, because I realize you WANT to believe your Muslim friends wouldn’t follow the directive to kill you, but the facts say you’re 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

      Not a comforting though, I know, but I’ve learned from hard experience that dealing with the truth is utterly superior to dealing with life by allowing wishful thinking to guide my actions, as well as propaganda spoon-fed to me by enemies bent on lulling me (& all others) to sleep….

      Islam, if confronted with truth & courage would die off, as it should have centuries ago. It is an unnatural religion, & a heartless way of life, especially for women & children, but ultimately, for all.

    • Bob

      Evolved: Just what did you “evolve” from; a tribe of imbeciles?

    • John Cunningham

      Actually “evolved” evolved from a really dumb group of dodo birds.

    • evolved

      Bob and John, you guys should start an act.

    • Bob

      evolved(not) – don’t make it so easy for us to comment on your stupidity if you don’t like our posts.

    • evolved

      I love your posts, Bobby boy.

    • BUD


    • evolved

      Evolved is an independent. BUD is mistaken.

    • John

      Correction, it’s DUMBOCRATS!

    • Johnnygard

      He is a liberal that won’t admit it because he would be challenged to defend liberalism, and there is no defense.

    • evolved

      Johnnygard, like most independents, I have a mix of liberal, moderate, and conservative views. I decide based mostly on facts, with a smattering of emotion, added to the mix. What drives you? Making unsubstantiated assumptions because someone disagrees with you?

    • That Mouthy Lady

      I don’t wish to KILL Muslims; I want, rather, to see the death of the hideous, Satanic state “religion” of ISLAM. The nicest Muslims I =know= still support its basic tenants, & when push comes to jihad, feel profoundly obliged to join in, or die if they don’t. They might feel sad at having to kill me, their friend, but “Allah” insists they must, or never see “Paradise.”

      I’m just SAYIN’….

  • am2sweet

    Aha, I never thought the guy was Christian. But, does the media know this? We can know it and this site may say it and Fox may say it but the mainstream media in their quest to downgrade Christians will no doubt leave it as the guy was Christian rather than correct their mistake.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      When did Fox stop being mainstream media. Better check your definitions. Try the English dictionary.

    • Whackajig

      Fox is certainly mainstream, but someone should make you aware that Fox serves a vastly different market that what people refer to as the lamestream media. Most of what is available is BS from the food stamp party, while Fox strives to present a fairly balanced view.

  • Mutantone

    Well it does follow the current efforts to make Christians the new terrorist element here in America

  • BobinPa.

    This sorry Euro-Pagan is a “Darwinian Duh-Duh”. He’s a typical “Lost Athiest”. If he was an American living here, he would be Progressive. By the way, he does resemblw that Maher Idiot is a lot of ways.


    I don’t wish to rid the world of Muslims I just want people to be aware of the the truth. That muslims wish to rid the world of US…. The liberal left thinks we can coexist ( all religions) but the truth is they don’t want to coexist with Christian or Jews. We are infidels and that WILL NEVER change in their eyes. I have several muslim friends who are really nice people (friends, neighbors and co-workers) but if the sh*t hits the fan they will side with Islam over the United States of America. We are a melting pot and that’s what makes America so great but, you must be willing to fight for this country, you allegiance but be with America.

    • Thomas lowe

      Your exactly right. when it comes down to the time they have to have to choose you as their friend, loyalty to country, or their faith, they will choose their musim brothers and sisters and their faith over all things.

    • Whackajig

      We do not need to rid the world of muslims? No? OK then, how about we just kill all those folks who adhere to islam?

  • Dale on left coast

    I was amazed the US Lame-Stream Media didn’t blame Palin . . .
    Christianity in the Scandinavian Countries is an “Endangered” Species. Societies are mostly secular . . .
    I have visited numerous times and seen cities like Malmo in Sweden be completely transformed by ME immigration. This small once peaceful city has transformed into a mini-detroit in a little more than a decade.

    • RA

      Wait…it’s early yet.

    • duif100

      They have not made up their minds yet: Bush or Palin.

  • albert w loescher

    Breivik should be assumed as an ‘unindicted co-conspirator’ and eligible for a crew man in the usurper’s tzar-ship.

  • Tom Stewart

    Has The Soros Media Empire Ever Got A Story Correct?? Hell No, It Is Called Obama/Soros Rope-A-Dope Atheist Special, Yikeess, The Only News That Soros Can Not Touch Is Canada Free Press, Read It Daily For The Truth. God Bless America And Sarah Palin.

    • Marianne

      Can you please reccommend a good (as in honest and truthful) newspaper in Canada? I would really enjoy reading an unbiased report. Our email is

  • m. sharpe

    I immediately picked up on the ‘extreme right winger’ because there was nothing to support that statement-no connection. The Prince of Darkness is quite busy.

    • Bree,

      You sir, mr. Sharpe, speak truth and are entirely correct. There was nothing to support such statements and indeed the Prince of darkness is on overtime!

  • Clifton Lee West

    Anders needs to be executed, immediately. Once he admitted what he did, and witnesses identified him, why prolong it? The idea that we have to keep people like this alive for years only prolongs the suffering of the survivors. Our own death sentences are a joke and many of those on death row die of old age before they are ever executed because of the legion of bleeding hearts. Nothing can erase what he did and his action regardless of reason, or excuse, is a black eye for humanity.

    Clifton Lee West

    • Johnnygard

      The liberals in Norway think 21 years (maximum sentence)is enough.

    • Whackajig

      Do not execute this guy. Make him an elite member of ovomit’s personal guard.

  • Dan

    They don’t have a death penalty in Norway and I believe the most he can get is 25 years and they don’t have consequetive sentences so he’ll be out in 25 years.

    • TinMan

      Maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years, but I’d bet this guy will never again see the light of day. If he does get out, he’ll see his dark prophecy realized. But before he’s sentenced, he’ll become a world-wide media sensation, and all of his views will be published. I don’t doubt that he’ll have more than a few nihilistic copy-cat killers following in his tracks.

  • Old Jim

    It’s just one more way for the media, to do a little more, to push True Christianity out of their way. There are those that will do everything in their power, to stifle the mouths of true believers, just like they did back through the dark ages & are doing all over the worls today. Check out, & see for yourself. But people just shut their eyes to it. Just like in this country, they don’t even want to hear the words, Jesus Christ, GOD, or anything that pertains to those words, but they just jump up & down, with joy, to hear that this country is opening its doors to gay marriage & every other perverse thing, that is totally against the WORD of GOD. They will see, one day soon, but it will be way too late. Just like it was in Noah’s day, they made a mockery of it, till the DOOR was shut & the first drop of rain fell. GOD BLESS!!

  • ruth

    The poor blind fool let the insanity of the enemy make him as evil as the the enemy..

  • kermit dupre

    As for our media anyone who’s not on their side is a right wing christen, a pathetic media we have.

  • RA

    We are not at war with Islam, but they are at war with us. To think that we can peacefully exist would be naive. Muslims want to destroy all non-muslims. They don’t say it out loud to us here in the U.S., but their Koran speaks it loud and clear. Terrorists plan their attacks in their Mosques, which we give them the freedom to build whereever they choose. They use our freedoms against us.

    • Marianne

      Can I hope that our readers will take a second look at your post! I couldn’t have said it better. Even the atheist Hawkings
      (He is a Brit) was quoted as saying the UK should defend Christianith since he hasn’t seen any Christian killing a Muslim or trying to put them under Shria, etc. Of course that is mistaken as Muslims are forcing the Islamic law (Shria) as well as schools in UK buying halal meat (that is meat that is slaughtered according to THEIR law) Every mosque is a “breeding ground” for jihadists since the young are suseptable to teaching with the “paradise” incentive. AS a retired teacher, I have seen whole generations (I’m, 80) changed by radio, magazines, TV, and cell phones.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      Marianne: Are you aware that Campbell’s food products (except of course, pork & beans…LOL!) are now “halal?”

      I must now =boycott= Campbell’s, as my religion (Russian Orthodox Christianity) STRICTLY FORBIDS the eating of anything we KNOWINGLY are served which has been dedicated to demons.

      “Allah” was originally a pagan moon “god” (& the Bible clearly states that ALL other so-called “gods” ARE DEMONS), thus =anathema= to all Christians.

      If you eat it unknowing, you’re held blameless, of course, BUT…

      NOW YOU =KNOW.=

    • Whackajig

      You are correct that we have not yet begun a proper war against the filthy muslims. It is tough to realize that they are in the process os destroying us, and yet we do nothing about it.

  • Bob

    One has to understand the lieberal/marxist/atheist mindset to understand how they can distort the truth with such apparent lack of conscience. That mindset is that the truth is whatever they want it to be; that is how they can spread the lies of marx/darwin and the rest of the malignant lieberal/marxist/atheist pantheon without suffering any pangs of conscience. We have the option then of letting the lies slide or calling them out for being lying lieberal liars. I hope that we continue to do the latter and let nothing slide by us unchallenged.

  • Jimbolya

    It is a “vast left wing conspiracy”. Who cares what the media says, they are psychos also!

  • Chuck Lehmann

    I wonder if the ultra-liberal Norwegians are still in a forgiving mood after this secular nut-job did what he did? The maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, you’ve got to be kidding? I’m sure some of the liberal bleeding hearts will claim that this is cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe they should send for our venerable A.C.L.U. to give aid and comfort to this home-grown terrorist. Wake up Norway and smell the coffee, or grog or whatever.

    Chuck Lehmann

  • Mistyinga.

    I am fine with any religion that does not promote violence or call for the death of people who do not embrace their views. However, with that said I believe that alot of Americans feel that the followers of Islam have burnt their bridges in this country after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. I must admit that I would be the first one off of a plane if I saw a group of arab men boarding on my flight. Sorry, but I just dont trust them anymore.

    • Whackajig

      Misty, I share your fear of the mulims, but not everyone feels that way.

      Were you aware that the state of Minnesota has elected and sent to our US congress, not just one, but two muslims.

      Try googling andre carson and keith ellison.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      MISTY: You =do realize,= don’t you, that one man was castigated & FIRED by PBS for saying almost exactly what you say re the Muslims on a plane, yes?

      And that that nasty ol’ GOP propaganda machine, you know, the “evil, close-minded, rightwingnut FOX News” immediately HIRED him to make sure he wasn’t silenced? And that the man is one of that rare breed, a non-abusive to others’ political views, =moderate= liberal?

      Now, everyone here who lies about the oh, sooo “tolerant Left,” please pipe up now & defend the PBS idiots. C’mon…don’t be shy…you KNOW you =wanna=….LOL!

  • http://http/ sean murry

    The media are all liars i dont believe anything in the paper anymore.

  • GDC

    Religion IS a mental sickness and ALL who believe in ANY religion ARE mentally sick, delusional, psychotic! Millions of children have been emotionally and sexually abused by the religionist. Millions of women have been abused and raped by the religionists. Millions have been murdered by the religionist. Our prisons are full of religionist. All because religion IS a mental sickness and ONLY mentally sick people are attracted to religion.

    • TinMan

      So religion is the big problem, eh?
      More people have been killed by pagans (Nazis killed at least 50 million European Jews, Gypsies, gays, etc.) and atheists (more than 150 million in the last century by Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Mao, Stalin, Castro, etc.) than all the religious killings in throughout history COMBINED. Some religious folks do terrible things. But the lot that GDC includes himself with are vastly worse. The non-religious cannot even justify their own existence if life is an accident or cosmic joke.

    • Bob

      Nonsense – stalin, hitler, mao, pol pot – the “great” mass muderers of all time were all atheist scum. The simple fact is, while Christians were building hospitals and schools, atheists were building concentration camps, gulags, re-education camps, killing fields, and were digging mass graves. The atrocties of “religionists” pale in comparison to the atrocities of atheist degenerates. And the false religions (all non-Christian religions) are responsible for the bulk of the atrocities committed by religionists and, because they are false and believe in no real god, there are for all intents and purposes, atheists.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      Hitler claimed to be a Christian. Of course he wasn’t . . . but he claimed he was.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      Bob – you can say that ’til you’re blue in the face. It still isn’t true. Muslims and Christians both have some history of brutality. That doesn’t make either religion bad. Just the violent minority within each religion.

      Just to say it once more – Buddhism is acceptable to both Christians and Muslims. Jews also. We are actually a philosophy.

    • Whackajig

      I have the body of a God.

      Unfortunately the God is Budda.

    • Nik

      That Basil is all right

    • chic

      Did you get a batch of BAD “kool-aid”? What planet are you from?

  • ARMYOF69

    THIS will somehow be used against us the American people who own guns, legally, currently that is.
    It will turn out to be related to somebody or a party here that all that killing that happened in Oslo is OUR FAULT. Just you wait.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      European nations :

      Gun ownership not legal – result, far lower per capita murder rate than in America.

      Interesting side note – in Texas, where more executions are done per capita than any other state in America – the murder rate per capita is the highest in America.

      Guns don’t save lives. Civil conversation saves lives.

    • Bob

      It is rather hard to have a civil discussion with one who thinks that his god demands that you be either enslaved, taxed, or killed. That is what the quran demands that the muslim do to the unbeliever. It is also hard to have civil discussions with those such as yourself who keep lying even after the lie has been exposed.

    • Johnnygard

      Texas is about 13th in per capita murders. District of Columbia, where you can’t have a gun for self-defense, has more than double the per capita murder rate. Illinois, no guns and a higher rate.
      The U.S. has more murders with knives than most other countries also, so do you blame our knives, or maybe just our society? Guns save millions of lives every year. You make so many stupid and false statements, are you one of the usual dipshits on this site just using a new name? So Buddhists never murdered anyone? Well, if you only count true murder, no Christian has ever murdered anyone, ’cause to be a Christian you have to follow Christianity, and you wouldn’t be a Christian at the time of the murder.

    • Johnnygard

      I forgot to mention, you said Europeans don’t have guns. How about Switzerland, where every household has a military rifle. How does that fit your stupid ideas?

    • ARMYOF69

      You have no idea what you’re talking about. Look very carefully at the European countries population versus the number of gun killings , and really , honestly do the math versus the gun ownership here in America and the ” MURDERS ” in America. You WILL find you are very wrong. Meantime, when they come for you, do not look for protection from us who do own guns and handle them respectfully, here in America, where we have no royal families , no dictators and never will.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      ARMY: Welll…except for the one in the Oral Orife we have AT THE MOMENT…& HE wants to take our guns so he can FINISH the process of being our full-fledged Dick-tator….

  • duif100

    Is it legal in Norway to own a gun?
    In most European countries gun ownership by citizens is against the law. Most likely this includes Norway.
    Gun control laws never apply to criminals.

  • walter

    Another whitewashing of the facts by the leftist media.He was a terrorst with muslame ties. They should all be eliminated to save the world.

    • Basil Buddhacat

      Oh-oh. I hear another crusade in the making.

      “Crusade” is the Christian equivalent of “jihad”. Different religion – same disgusting behavior.

    • Bob

      Not even close. You must be a pathological liar like all democrats.

  • Basil Buddhacat

    Try Buddhism. Buddhists never killed anyone.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      Absolutely NOT TRUE. There are many incidences of murder, slavery & torture by some Buddhist monks. People have discovered parts of human bodies used by those same monks being used (much as Nazis did) for mundane objects. One particularly gruesome example was a human arm preserved & used routinely as a backscratcher.

      You don’t know what you’re talking about, Leftist troll, thus your ignorance only embarrasses YOU.

      Phew! Stinks in here. Someone please find & use the Troll-Away spray!

    • Bob

      basil: Once again you lie. Cambodia is a buddhist cesspool – ever hear of the “killing fields” and pol pot? Red China also has a long buddhist tradition and is responsible for the mass murders of tens of millions. Vietnam also had a buddhist tradition. It seems that buddhists slide rather easily in to the role of mass-murdering marxist scumbags.

    • Whackajig

      Obviously you never watched “Kung Foo”.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      LOL! Kung Phooey is more like it! But I take your point (for once).

  • Tinman

    I am going to sit back, have a cold beer and watch the world burn. The first idiot that bothers me to take sides, gives up the ghost!

    • That Mouthy Lady

      TINMAN: Oy! Ever see a turtle placed atop a fence? If he sits atop it TOO long, he starves. If he falls off, the fall kills him. Lesson: It’s safest not to get ON the fence, if you want to survive.

      Now get off the fence–with my help–if you want to survive.

      Oh, & sue me for “bothering” you; if you don’t stand up for yourself & get involved, why come HERE & waste your & our time???

  • Mistyinga.

    Basil, I gotta tell you Buddhism is not just a “philosophy” it is a cult. Any religion that does not recognize the “christian” God as the only God,is nothing more than a false religion that panders to those who wish to live their lives however they please with no authority and no consequences.

    • Bob

      Amen, John 14:6 says it all.

    • Whackajig

      If the Chrisian God is to be given the praise and glory for all that is good in the world, is He also to be blamed for all that is bad and evil?

      Does He control all? Or just the good parts?

  • Johnnygard

    A scenario for anti-gunners: You are the parent of three children. You go to the school or ball field to pick them up. On the other side of the chainlink fence a bad guy has your kids tied up and on their knees. As you approach the fence he take a sword and cuts the head off one of your kids. If you had a gun, would you shoot him? If there was a cop there would you beg the cop to shoot him before he got to the second kid? Not every scenario is as clear cut as this, but many are just as serious, and you can react in your way and I’ll do what I’ll do. Peace! (usually through superior firepower)

    • Whackajig

      The way things are now, the parents would sue the owners of the ball field and the sword manufaturer.

  • Mandy

    For Basil, Democrats, Liberals, atheists, etc.
    Ever hear of the Japanese? Do you know what “religion” they have practiced for centuries? Answer: Buddhism! You know the religion you claim that never kills anyone! They wanted to take over the world just like Hitler. For your uneducated information, they believe their Emperor is a GOD! They got off light by the USA instead of being punished for their horrible war crimes during WWII. Remember that war? I have a lot I could enlighten you with knowledge concerning religions, especially Islam after having parents work in the Middle East for decades, traveling the world my entire life with my work and studies as an anthropologist/archaeologist/exploration geologist. May find it surprising that I am a loyal patriotic conservative Christian Republican. I’m no fool and anyone who believes that Islam is a religion of peace is one. They are Muslim first and foremost ALWAYS and everyone else in their eyes is an Infidel. Their goal is for Islam to rule the world. It rules EVERY aspect of their lives. Life stops 5 times a day for prayer. This great Nation of ours has been on the fast track towards socialism/marxism all mascarading as Democracy. This Country of ours was set up by our Constitution as a Republic. I can’t stand seeing our Constitution being trampled on by a group bent on it’s destruction.

    • Nik


      Actually I have a strong hunch you are a fool Mandy. I know you’re a liar.

      Anybody as well traveled and well schooled as you say you are would know that Shinto was the Japanese state religion before and during WW2, not Buddhism. If you’d ever spent any time in a Muslim country, as I have, you know that everything doesn’t grind to a halt 5 times a day. Thats ridiculous.

      You’d also know how to spell “Masquerade,” dear.

    • That Mouthy Lady

      MANDY: First, “Mandy”–“Amandia,”–was my maternal g-mom’s name! I’ve always been fond of it. :o)

      Second: I agree with absolutely =everything= in your brilliant post…except your mistake of putting an apostrophe into “its” in near the end. The sole time that mark is used is when signifying a contraction of “it is,” such as when typed, “It’s almost too late.”

      See what a primo post you made? The ONLY quibble I could squeeze out of it was one itty typo! LOL!

      Good work, fellow patriot!

  • Nik

    @basil Buddhacat

    Basil is correct and the anonymous author of this article is either ignorant or a liar (yes or both). Both McVeigh and Breivik identify themselves as some flavor of Christian and yes Jesus would be horrified.

  • Mistyinga.

    Nik, many groups identify themselves as christian but that does not make it so. When deciding if a lunatic like Mcveigh is “christian” or not look at his lifestyle and let that be the determining factor not his words.

  • Mistyinga.

    Nik, I could go out and commit some heinous crime and tell people that i’m a hardcore democrat,but the way I’ve lived my life would contradict that statement. The same applys in this situation.

    • Bree,

      Absolutely agree Misty, the Bible which is the only authoritative word of God, states what Jesus said which is “by their fruits ye shall know them” and my question is what part of this tirade of his shows you that he is a Christian ever? Look at what his self explanitory statements reveal concerning his beliefs and lifestle; He says, he is not religious, that he doubts God’s existance, does not pray, is influenced by secular surroundings and further states, “What is the point of believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself” thereby showing he has no need of God and has in fact made everything relative to set himself up as his own God. He is athiestic, humanistic and totally deceived concerning anything spiritual let alone Christian. It’s time for some TRUTH and a reality check. This man is exactly who he says he is and is nothing remotely called Christian – or a follower of Christ.

  • Nik


    But thats the thing. When twisted fanatics commit mass murder in the name of Christianity, the Christian Right blithely declares not them “real Christians” and absolves itself of any guilt or responsibility. When twisted Muslim fanatics do the same, however, the entire religion is to blame and the faith itself, as one asshole on this thread said earlier, is an evil disease.” Did I miss your outraged objection to this vile slander against one of the 3 great Abrahamic religions?

    That kind of hypocrisy, and the sheer hatred and bigotry and intolerance and self-righteousness toward islam on this blog every day — including by you — gives the lie to any claim of Christian moral superiority.

    We aren’t having a clash of civlizations. Neither you nor the Wahabists are civilized. What we’re having is a clash of fundamentalisms. All the rest of us want is for God to save us from His followers.

  • Mistyinga.

    I’m with her….

  • bev

    Does anyone remember what those kids were at the campsite for? Something bothers me as to why he would target these kids. I’m having a senior moment as to the nature of the ‘group’ of young people. Help me out here someone…