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‘Gay soldiers shower with people:’ How Rick Santorum explains support for Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell

Monday, October 10, 2011

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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum amplified his support for  ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ yesterday, conjuring up a graphic image to make his argument for the discriminatory policy.

Speaking on Fox News Sunday, the former Pennsylvania senator used the image of gay men showering with straight men in the military to explain his support for DADT.

At one point during the tense interview, news anchor Chris Wallace played a clip of Santorum from a recent GOP primary debate, in which he stated the repeal of DADT was an improper injection of ‘social policy’ into the military. 

Santorum explained to Wallace: ‘The problem is that sexual activity with people who you are in close quarters with who happen to be of the same sex is different than being open about your sexuality.’

Wallace asked if the politician was suggesting gay soldiers would ‘go after’ their colleagues. 

‘They’re in close quarters, they live with people, they obviously shower with people,’ he said.

 

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  • “Another “American Patriot

    This is a ‘fact’. I knew a ‘gay’ soldier. My own personal policy with him, and I made it very clear to him, was to NEVER come in the shower when I was in the shower or I would ‘out’ him. He never did and I never did.

    I figure that I wasn’t allowed to shower with women, why should be be allowed to shower with men?

    • Douglas Jones

      Well said, As a active duty Sailor I new I could refuse any advance of some gay guy but It was another thing to ward off anothers lustfull eye on me while I was showering. I on more than one occasion instructed some guy I suspected of being gay to keep his eyes off me

    • krdave

      Let ‘em look and drool. Just don’t drop your soap. :-) Seriously, Some of them will figure out that it all isn’t in their best interests to be queer and in the Army. That is, unless all the “good old boys” have been replaced by the politically correct types.

    • CommonMan

      You know, I’m trying to be a good Christian here and not judge others as I, myself am certainly not without sin. However I must say that this rhetoric is just over the top. DADT should really not be an issue at all.

      The problem with DADT is certainly not the “Don’t ask” part, for it should not matter what ones sexual orientation is if they want to help defend our American values; Nor is the problem the “Don’t tell” part, since it should be none of our business what one does on their own personal time.

      The problem has always been the way the military went out on witch hunts to out people and prosecute them! This is ridiculous and should have been stopped a long time ago. If someone chooses to make their sexual orientation an issue, whether its a hetero womanizer, or a gay activist, then they should both be held to the high standards that is proper within the military circles. If they choose to be a soldier first, and keep their private stuff private, then our military will be much better off.

    • http://patriotupdate Charles

      I will give you two thumbs up for this comment. I am also a Army Veteran.

    • Tom

      Common Man, I agree, I don’t think that if anyone was going to get their head cut off by a terrorist that they would want to know if your rescuer is gay or not ?I don’t think so!!!

      If they want to look at me naked, who cares! Let them look, straight men
      look at straight men in the locker room,some are curious if other men have something different, and you can bet your ass that those guys that complain of the gay and lesbians looking, that some time in their life, they too, looked at naked men!

      I work as a professional with the public and I know many many people who are gay and they are awesome! They don’t bother you and as a matter of fact, they treat people better than some “straight” people do!

      Many of the gay people you would never expect only if you ask, they are honest enough and tell you the truth and not lie and make themselves looks like a so called macho man!

      Let the people be who they want! They are not bothering you! I’m sure that everyone has a skeleton in their closet and has something to hide, and they would be ashamed if outsiders found out!

      I don’t care how great you are, if someone would dig deep enough, we would find out something shameful about everyone!

      I’m not perfect either, but I work with many types of people and I found out that the gays and lesbians can be very trustworthy !

      Maybe perhaps, some alleged strait people are just a little jealous about not being liked and look for other peoples faults or just excuses!

      Some people dwell on making fun or intimidating others to cover up things someone may find out about themselves!

      You look to hate others for the thing YOU may want to be or do and are too afraid to be yourself! and GOD forbid, that someone may find out!

      People are rescued every day by gay & lesbian firemen, paramedics and nurses, people are saved everyday by gay police officers.

      Our military serves other nations that shit on our heads and you have the nerve to pick on our own people because they have different likes!

      Take a good look in your own back yard and see what you have to hide! Oh, I’m sorry…….You are perfect!

    • Don39

      Peopl;e who fight to be openly homosexual WILL NOT keep it private! To presume so is assinine.

    • Walker

      If you are trying to be a Christian . . .do you read the Bible?? The part where it says that homosexuality is an abomination to God?? It is in both the old and the new testament.

    • CommonMan

      Dear Walker,

      I read the bible quite often, my friend. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Check out Matthew 7:1-5. Or are you one of those types who feel they can cast the first stone?…

      BTW, where in my post did I condone the gay lifstyle? I simply stated there was nothing wrong with DADT except for the witch hunts. There is a big difference between someone who happens to be gay, and the gay activists who want to shove their lifestyle in our face…

    • Pathfinder0100

      Man? Are you full of it!!

    • obamavitch5

      Do you wish to spend lots of time in close contact with someone who has AIDS? Most rational people will not chose that.

    • http://yahoo HTPBennett

      Obamavitch…..YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!

      I was in the US Navy apparently you never tried to join the military at all. You would know there are medical conditions that disqualify you from serving. Then again once your in the military you get there medical plan and upon discharge (HONORABLE)
      you go to the VA and then your care could be compromised and that’s for any VET for any reason.
      I’d say ask my Dad but he passed this past April and was a WWII Vet.
      How do you explain to a WOMAN she has AIDS and she is straight? Dung, wonder who she got it from serving doesn’t use illicit drugs never had a blood infusion had to be a MALE HUMAN!!

      Pull your collective heads out of your A$$’S get a deep breath of fresh air. You will think much more clearly.

      I knew there were lesbians in my unit and knew of different gay men neither caused trouble for anyone but there were the straight jerk offs that were a pain in the ASS yo all of us!!
      I agree with Command man.
      Everyone needs to mind there own business we would ALL be better and HAPPIER for it!

    • http://yahoo HTPBennett

      Obamavitch…..YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!

      I was in the US Navy apparently you never tried to join the military at all. You would know there are medical conditions that disqualify you from serving. Then again once your in the military you get there medical plan and upon discharge (HONORABLE)
      you go to the VA and then your care could be compromised and that’s for any VET for any reason.
      I’d say ask my Dad but he passed this past April and was a WWII Vet.
      How do you explain to a WOMAN she has AIDS and she is straight? Dung, wonder who she got it from serving doesn’t use illicit drugs never had a blood infusion had to be a MALE HUMAN!!

      Pull your collective heads out of your A$$’s get a deep breath of fresh air. You will think much more clearly.

      I knew there were lesbians in my unit and knew of different gay men neither caused trouble for anyone but there were the straight jerk offs that were a pain in the ASS to all of us!!
      I agree with Commonman.
      Everyone needs to mind there own business we would ALL be better and HAPPIER for it!

    • am2sweet

      Wonder if the next thing will be spending money for separate showers like they have for the women?

    • Winghunter

      They said they wouldn’t be segregated which means, they’ve created a hostile environment for heterosexuals and there WILL obviously be serious trouble.

    • am2sweet

      You are right. I know I’d be mad being put in with a bunch of gays. That was one dirty deal and our military straights deserve better.

    • Doris Carman

      Probably so. They put foot baths in colleges for muslims.And it is anoher way to spend money on the military while taking money from the defense budget.

    • http://yahoo HTPBennett

      I don’t know where you were stationed ’cause most of my duty stations had one big room with 8 or more shower heads.

      The Navy was still using there old old buildings.
      I went to boot camp in Orlando and its been closed for quite sometime.

  • Roger Moore

    At this point I’m about ready to disband the uniformed services. Being forced to accept and promote sexual deviancy isn’t what they’re about and if job #1 isn’t defending the country then we should just shut it all down. The next perverts are already in line…..”Transexuals”. The whole thing turns my stomach.

    • 2WarAbnVet

      It has been a long-time dream of the Democrat/Socialists to destroy the effectiveness of the American military. Every step they’ve taken has been to advance this goal. The repeal of DADT is just another step.

    • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

      Abn Vet– Airborne! Precisely correct
      analysis… THANK YOU!

    • Rex

      I think that there are very few people, that truly understand what your saying, or how close to the truth you are!

    • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

      Roger– A corrupted government will ultimately corrupt it’s own military for the votes of a corrupted people.

    • John

      Queers only make up about 1% of the population of this country so if they do enter the military they should have enough sense to keep their moths shut & if they don’t put them at the front of the charge that way they will actually do some ood for this co0untry

    • http://patriotupdate 32eagle

      RE-enlist anyone?You with the Medal of Honor-I have your papers right here-Aw common -I can’t guarantee that!!

    • obamavitch5

      Roger the solution is not to disband our armed forces. Our fighting men and women are the greatest on earth. Why not just fix the problem by refusing to admit men who carry purses and women who want sex with other women?

  • rowley

    Sexual danger in prison showers is real and not funny and not politically correct.

    • Lee

      Yeah, and how is the military any different in that respect? I’m glad I’m too old to be in the military now…

  • Eddie B

    I was drafted and served dutifully from ’68 to ’70.Had it been today..I’m AWOL.How DARE they do that to OUR military!!!

    • Jeronimo Dan

      It’s called being “POLITICALLY CORRECT” which is taking this nation down.

    • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

      Eddie– God Bless you Brother. Thanks for
      your service… USArmy– 1962 1989.

    • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

      Eddie– God Bless you Brother. Thanks for
      your service… USArmy– 1962 1989.

    • Tom

      And how many soldiers were gay that didn’t want anyone to know and served honorably with you? Of course you don’t know, but you can bet there were some. Now, does that make you feel any differently about the men you served with? It shouldn’t.

    • ARMYOF69

      During my era serving in the Army, I knew a few gays. They knew better than to “out” themselves or make passes at the heterosexuals. They kept their emotions to themselves. Never saw a real problem. But that was a different era, where the general public was FOR KEEPING GAYS AND LESBIANS quiet. No so today.
      We are now in the last days of ROME, where they even had children performing sexual acts in public for entertainment. Read your history folks. Time to turn back to God.

    • Winghunter

      Every nation in the history of the world that has allowed homosexuality to infect their society has fallen within two generations.
      No nation of civilization has allowed or embraced homosexuality on the way to the top, it is always on the way to the bottom and near their destruction that homosexuality becomes allowed and common.

      Homos are less than 1% of the population.
      This 1% has 70-80% of the nations AIDS (This is obviously where the disease originated just as the doctors and scientists informed us at the time.) They have 64% of the syphilis. Lesbians are more than twice as likely to have an STD as heterosexual women.
      Lesbians on average have four times the number of male sex partners as heterosexual women.
      Homo males and lesbians have the highest suicide rates in the nation.
      Many Homo males suffer from ‘gay’ bowel syndrome – just the act of what they do causes numerous physical problems (So there’s nothing gay about being ‘gay’, is there).
      Homo males and lesbians have much higher alcohol and drug abuse rates.

      Allowing Homos to openly serve in the military will be very costly, require more taxes for the added medical problems, will lower morale, will increase discipline problems, and will degrade lethality. Allowing Homos to serve openly will have a high cost and create a mass exodus when forced.

      Ever since sexual deviants manipulated their removal from the psychotic listing on the ADA, they’ve been forcing their unacceptable behavior in our faces (and our childrens faces/minds) with the clear intent to shock and repulse us. They’re desperately trying to claim approval of their psychotic behavior which they will not ever realize even from themselves. What’s inherently wrong can’t be made right.

    • rbentrdr

      And don’t forget the schools (aka government indoctrination centers)pushing homosexuality on our kids. Watch your kids books and what their teachers are teaching very carefully. The communists said years ago, get in their media, get in their schools. Turn off the TV and talk to them once in awhile! Repeat: what is going on in our schools, paid for with our tax money, is brain washing our kids.

    • obamavitch5

      Many blacks are joining the military since the entrance requirments have been drastically lowered. It is a fact that blacks have AIDS at a rate ten times that of whites.

      Tell me again you see no problem with gays in the services?????????????????

    • Denise

      You got that right! Look at the shows on TV now that dress little 4 year olds up to look like Dolly Pardon &/or Madonna. Toddlers & Tiaras and Dance Mom are disgusting!

    • John

      I served in the Army from 1962 to 1964 & we had no known homo’s just men who served honorably. I would not serve now!

    • Candyman

      I served in the military from the Viet Nam era up to Desert Storm. I knew homosexual soldiers who served and as long as they were mostly quiet about what they were, the chain of command left them alone. That said, they did cause problems, and they did “go after” the other troops. I had a friend whose wife left the military because she would not tolerate the harassment from her lesbian first sergeant and lesbian commander, back when the WAC’s were separate. Yes, Barrack, Nancy, and Harry, homosexuals do cause problems in the military and they do lower morale and unit cohesion. Only the liberals who have never served would fail to grasp that as the issue.

    • Eddie B

      Tom….Those who served,were gay and didn’t let you know…that’s OK and God bless them. NOW they’ve been given an open invitation TO LET YOU KNOW….THAT DOESN’T WORK!!!

    • Don39

      I dealt first hand with DADT in the 70,s. You do not have a clue what you are talking about. It was very disruptive and ‘coming out to get out’ was an everyday problem. At least DADT gave me the tool’s to rid the Army of a bunch of post-war malcontents and druggies. When I had an AWOL female at one point I knew exactly where to find her when I found that a certain ‘gay’ female officer was on leave. That was with DADT, I can only imagine the challenge of the future. It is open season on straights, especially if they are Christian. Political correctness has been the beginning of the end of the worlds finest military, especially the fighting Army and Marines.

    • U.S.CITIZEN 00001

      I too was drafted in 67 and served in nam over there we had friendly fire accidents and lost a lot of point “men” to snipers.
      This is libel to start happening again.

    • ARMYOF69

      The term ” fragging” comes to mind. Bags coming home filled with flaming homos.

  • Bob

    I don’t understand why you are making such a big issue over this. Do you think all gay men attack other men in the shower or just what are you thinking? Do you actually think gay men join the service just so they can shower with straight men. I should be happy they are there to serve and protect. Get over the fact they are gay.

    • As I See It

      you are clueless!

  • Meg

    Our world has become too immoral and now we will have to worry about this in the military as well. the public is shocked when this happens in the prisoners or with educators/clergy. What makes the government think that this can’t happen in the military…a young soldier who is handsome and a gay officer/soldier with higher rank who is attracted just might rape this young soldier. Government is making a big mistake! Put back don’t ask, don’t tell!

    • John

      They have a sure cure for someone of higher rank that would rape a straight soldier it is called fragging & this may come to be.

    • Winghunter

      Check out, “Male Rape In The Military”.

      (Website refuses to let me post the link.)

    • obamavitch5

      Is someone who frags someone else, a fraggot?

    • Candyman

      We need to go back to before Clinton’s Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell policies,when homosexuals were not allowed to serve – period. Nothing good comes from allowing this type of people to serve.

    • http://patriotupdate 32eagle

      I was against Clinton-but DADT was a good policy-I am more than against Obama-I know he is evil-and he is a communist-our enemy!!!

    • Robert Bullock

      Soldiers are grown men and women and are better able to handle this than children are. what is happening with the kids in the schools is more worrisome to me. I was talking to a high school coach who coached a girls team. I told him that I didn’t understand where all the gay girls were coming from. He replied,”We encourage it. We spend a lot of time and money getting these girls to become athletes. If they get pregnant it all goes to waste. Besides girls like to experiment and that’s a good thing.”

      My jaw dropped and I couldn’t believe it.

    • obamavitch5

      Ron White tells the story about his flight with only a homosexual pilot. The pilot made advances to Ron and informed him that if Ron did not submit to anal sex, that he would force Ron to jump from the plane.

      Later, when Ron was telling the story, a listener aske him if he jumped. Ron said “Yeah, a little at first”.

  • TED

    I think DADT should have been repealed and the policy that was in effect before Klinton started his social experiment should still be enforced.

  • Jacques Bakke

    Gender Disfunction is a medical problem, not government’s or the military’s!

  • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

    2-men, who became president, Slick Willie Clinton and Ba’rak hussein Obama, declared before elected they would allow homosexuals to “Serve openly” in the U.S. military. Still, American voters betrayed our hero’s
    by electing these gay promoters to be our
    military’s CiC; knowing neither had ever served a day in uniform. Betrayal of our military hetrosexual soldiers will have
    serious consequences for every man, woman and child in America. It should be obvious to all sane American’s that the dem/progres
    party is exercising the “Divide and conquer”
    tactic to remain in power at the nation’s expense. The question that should be asked
    is, is Slick Willie and Hussein closeted
    homosexuals or mere gay promoters?

    • Winghunter

      It’s simpler than that, they’re just traitors.

      Did you see everything Clinton did to avoid serving? Did you see the fraudulent copy of Obama’s Selective Service registration?

      Check them out, it’ll make your stomach turn!

  • Mark

    Smoking a Fag can be accomlished with any caliber lethal projectile accident or shall it, be Oops, wrong time, wrong place. So sad that object fell where it did, they did not look both ways before proceeding on their way.

    • http://patriotupdate 32eagle

      wartime can drag a soldier down enough-basically murder-but eliminating a problem on the battlefield-the crime-scene-a no-man’s land -somewhere where surviving the next second is all that matters-if faggots get sent to war-they may end up on the endangered list-only the whitehouse Traitor thinks he is all the protection they need

  • Plt Sgt D. G. Chee

    The Slick Willie Clinton Compromise, DADT,
    was an evil compromise!. The US-Military operated fine before Clinton betrayed America for the homosexual vote. BHO’s
    support of the Homo/agenda was well known; still leftist voters elected him. We have become precisely like Sodom and Gommorah.
    Why?

    • BigArch

      bho is said to be bisexual therefore I think he is supporting the gay agenda because he is one himself.

  • Ron Wilson

    This just goes to show our world how morally decrepant the so-called leaders of our nation has detriated down to. Do they not respect themselves as a male or female individuals. Can they not be respectfull to everyones own sexuality. There is no difference than having true men and women living together and ogling each other !! This is a true destruction of our military as it should be !!!!

  • karen

    my husband was in the military for 20 years and men who were homosexials did not tell. they valued their lives. the men in the military are a tough breed they have to be to protect our country. most of the gays i have met are feminine. iam afraid they will
    be hurt

    • Budman68

      You just didn’t know all the gays you met who were NOT feminine.

  • Leroy

    “When I joined the Military it was illegal to be homosexual, then it became optional. I’m getting out before Obama makes it mandatory.”—Gunnery Sgt. Harry Beres-USMC

  • BigArch

    Just wait til sex change operations are demanded by gay military members. It will be forced by congress and the ACLU if this is not nipped in the bud.

  • azwayne

    This is all for the benefit of lawyers ptrotecting queers. Men are not going to accept, queers are going to be hurt. Then the attorneys have a whole new group of clients, tell me when any legislation isn’t for the benefit of attorney whores.

  • http://patriotupdate.com Raymond

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1: 24, 25, 26, 27.

    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5.

    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, noridolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Corinthians 6: 9.

    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and forsinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 Timothy 1:9,10.

    And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast,and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20: 15, 16.

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18: 22, 23.

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20,21

    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galations 6:7

    • Harry

      Thanks. I appreciate your godly response to the immoral behavior that our government is forcing our military to accept. Our military will become weaker and God will judge. The Bible also says that Satan hardens peoples hearts and blinds them to the truth.

    • Stan Lee

      Harry:
      In the final analysis, such matters are between God and the offender.
      I’ve always believed that we have a merciful God and therefore have always maintained the hope that with God’s guidance, a sinner would find his way back.
      It’s not perfect policy,we meet exceptions along the way, and finally we understand the imperfections of humankind.

    • http://patriotupdate 32eagle

      Yes Borak black-heart Obama stands proud like a FOOL

    • obamavitch5

      I dislike obungle so much that I try not to ever capitalize his name. Our use of caps is to bestow respect and honor. I do not think o-vomit deserves that.

    • http://HELP Believer

      SICK, SICK LIFESTYLE! GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. HE MADE NO MISTAKES IN CREATION, NONE. MEN. MEN & WOMEN ARE THE ONLY UNION THAT CAN REPRODUCE. GOD DESIGNED IT THIS WAY FOR THAT REASON. IT STARTED WITH ADAM & EVE. ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF INTELLECT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANALYZE HOW THE HUMAN BODY IS COMPOSED, AND COME TO THE CONCLUSION, THERE HAD TO BE A GOD BEHIND IT.THERE CAN BE NO OTHER CONCLUSION. GAYS in the MILITARY should keep their sick behavior in their heads no further!GOD HELP THIS NATION.LIVING IN SODOM & GOMORAH IS SO DEPRESSING!

    • Pathfinder0100

      Welcome back!! Where have you been Raymond? Need to see your posts more often. You make more sense than most!

  • presumptuous-not

    Sounds like a lot of homophobia…I applaud any gay person for wanting to fight for our country, they are putting themselves at more risk than the others. I do however believe that sex should/must not be permitted or at least must be consensual and in private while in the military, be it heterosexual or homosexual. I do not believe that being homosexual is a choice, but acting on it most definately is, as is all sexual activity. One can truly love another of the same sex but the act of sex does not make it love and can most times create more problems and be more destuctive than constructive. It is not our place to sit in judgement of one another, there is One far greater at understanding and judging human nature and what is in one’s heart.

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      My policy about DADT is the same as General George Washington was at Valley Forge.
      Check it out.

    • Patriot41

      The military is not nor has it ever been, a place for social experimentation or political correctness. Sexual perversion is not something that our troops need to be subject to, while performing their duties or any other time.

      Serving in the military can and most often does, subject our troops to life and death situations. I have seen many of my fellow comrades lying on the ground crying out for God’s help and forgiveness. They should not have to be faced with detrimental, spiritual issues forced upon them by a godless govt., in such an environment.

      I have also served with atheist who were repulsed by unnatural homosexual advances, so it is not just a moral issue with religious people. In all cases that I have observed, there was nothing positive about encouraging open deviant behavior in the military or for that matter in civilian life. One’s sexual proclivities should be kept to oneself.

    • http://patriotupdate 32eagle

      I see what you are meaning- I see your feedback is negative-salvation is for us all-I just am amazed at this huge problem-for these gays and lesbians to turn to God they must surrender their will to JESUS and believe that he died for all of our sins and he raised up from his tomb and visited his desciples and others-all I know is that God can do miracles-and to change gayness in people-that is awesome-as awesome as the parting of the Red Sea

  • Wayne

    I said, years ago, that the policy of don’t ask – don’t tell, was the best for this issue. A bunch of smarty pants are going to end up in jail in the foreign countries that they serve in. Some will be executed for being that way. SOFA agreement or not.

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      Iran leader, Akmadnajad said in a speech at Columbia Univ. “…there are no homosexuals in my country”.
      Gee! I just can’t imagine why.
      LOL

    • obamavitch5

      Why? Goats and camels, that is why.

  • Tom

    As long as serving in the military is a choice and not a requirement (all voluntary) it should not matter who serves. We should be glad, considering the state of the country, that anyone is even willing to enlist in the military and risk or give his life for what he believes in. You can bet that those people protesting all around the country won’t lift a finger to aid this country by serving in the military, most likely not even if there were a clearly defined major attack by a uniformed military force, much less another terrorist attack. So go ahead, criticize all you want, but remember that those men and women in uniform don’t have to be there, they’re there because they WANT to be.

    • Patriot41

      Tom, no one said that they should not serve. However there is a big difference between serving as a soldier and making sexual preferences an issue. Throughout our military history, homosexuals have been able to serve honorably, without making their sexual preferences known. In fact, many of them had a chance to serve, because they kept such desires to themselves. I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, for homosexuals to out themselves or to demand recognition now! If anything, it makes their desire to serve, less advantageous now by placing emphasis on their sexual orientation then in serving their country as a soldier.

  • http://yahoo.com tod

    Dr. Ron Paul 2012 !!!

  • John

    I just cannot wit until the first fag gets into a shower with a straight G.I. & makes a play for him & the straight turns around & “cold conks” him (lays him out flat & unconscious) maybe then they will toe the line the best thing they actually could do is go back into the closet, & close the door

  • Stan Lee

    Served U.S. Army, 1948-1954, active duty.
    Two homosexuals were discovered in my platoon.
    They would go on passes(liberty in Navy) together, but apart from that, their relationship was almost impossible to detect.
    Frankly, I thought it best to keep the issue within the platoon. Neither one ever solicited attention from the heterosexual soldiers in the unit. Those fellows never “got out of line.” They performed as militarily expected.
    They knew that I knew, and that was the end of it. I think they were grateful not to be “outed.”
    They soldiered as well as anyone else, both had seen combat in Korea and one had earned a Purple Heart.
    I never saw any other “gays” in the service.
    They probably were there, but were melted into the ranks and as soldierly as expected by the Army.

  • Bill

    You are right. Homosexual soldiers are a problem, especially in small ground combat units; squads, platoons, companies. They don’t fit in, are usually afraid, disruptive, and most small unit leaders try to get rid of them as soon as they can, send them up to higher levels or to the rear. Most homosexual soldiers are usually found in the rear, in support units, and this is itself a problem. Years ago when a combat soldier burned out but still had time to go, you could salvage him by sending him to a rear or support unit to finish out his tour. Now those positions are filled by female soldiers and homosexuals, so no longer any place to go. I wonder if this is not part of the reason for ground combat troop burn-out. No respite from combat action any more. I speak from experience as a junior officer with time in Viet Nam in the late 60s and Korea in the 70s and 80s. We had enough to do without having to deal with homosexuals. And in a combat theater, higher ups did not want to go thru the trouble of putting them out, so they moved them around. I know, because on occasion, we would get one.

  • MR. JOHN

    During Vietnam, I had a collateral duty as Ship’s Legal Officer! The ship was a destroyer. During that time, We had to process a sailor who could not stand being in such close contact with other naked male sailors. The living spaces had canvas bunks three high with little space between bunks. The showers and toilets had no stalls or privacy!
    The sailor had previous service in the army and had an honorable discharge ; however he could not take the close liv9ng quarters aboard a small ship.

  • tncdel

    Heterosexuals in the military should file a class action lawsuit to segregate all homosexuals, for it is unconstitutional to allow them to shower and bunk with those they sexually desire, but not heterosexuals.

  • Jim

    No straight guy wants a gay guy admiring
    his package in the shower. Enlistments will
    decline. In the military you don’t get to
    choose your roommate.

  • Winghunter

    Thank Admiral Mullen for this outrage! He forces sexual deviants on our military and then promptly resigns!

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      AT the level Adm. Mullens was at, they are careerists & YES men for the powers that be in the White House.

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      My guess, maybe doing the bidding of his masters was part of the deal for an uneventful retirement.
      I mean, look what happened to Gen. McCrystal.

    • Bill

      Hey, he was NAVY. What did you expect.

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      I am tempted to quote Winston Churchill’s comment about the navy, but too embarassed to say so. LOL
      Anyhow, maybe that was his navy & not the US Navy.

  • Victor

    My worry is that they will be homosexual first and military second. No matter what anyone says, that will affect the morale of the military.

  • vietnamvet

    There is a reason that men have always detested ‘sissies, and women can barely stand their presence.

    I think we have given the whole ‘tolerance thing’ a good shot, and all it got us was in-you-face activism that is never satisfied, and never quits.

    I say we refill all of those emptied closets …

  • Winghunter

    Search for these articles (This website won’t let me post the links)and understand exactly what’s going on;

    Male Rape in the Military

    Homosexual Soldiers a Security Risk

    Vets protest plan to opening military to homosexuals

    Getting a Heterosexual’s Mind Right

    The ‘Gaystapo’

    Activists in New Gay Military Now Demand Cross Dressing Rights

    DADT Repealed but the Lefts War to Politicize the Military Continues

    Sexual deviant magazine to be distributed to military ‘free of charge’

    Angry homosexual activist behind WikiLeaks treachery

  • cheryl jessup

    Chris Wallace is a liberal prick.

    • Winghunter

      Comrade Wallace asks Santorum,”Don’t they deserve the right to serve with everyone else?”

      Santorum, “Behavior is not the same as race or gender.”

      That’s EXACTLY right, Rick! In fact, deviant BEHAVIOR is expressly forbidden as it adversely affects society. We are free to do as we wish UNTIL it infringes on the freedom of others.

    • obamavitch5

      Some in the military object to a sausage in the Hershey highway.

  • eddy

    Just like the fall of the Roman Empire….America is doomed.

  • Clifton Lee West

    If someone is gay, ignore that part of the individual and treat him with the same courtesy that you would extend to anyone else. I am not gay, never have been, never wanted to be, so I am not intimidated by a gay person. By treating a gay person as if he has leprosy, you are being unfair to an individual who can’t help being the way he is. When I was young and single, I had a number of gay friends who knew I was straight and never bothered me. I made sure that I never allowed myself to be in a compromising situation. I think that the military will take care of itself but wish that Clinton and Obama had been in the military. From all that has been written, Obama is gay or at least bi-sexual, so the military would have been too hard for him. The only thing I know about lesbians is that you don’t want to cross a bull dyke or you could lose an arm or a leg!

    • Winghunter

      Watch the San Francisco ‘pride’ parade and ignore them.

      Look at what they’re subjecting our kids to in school and you ignore them.

      Start reading what they’re doing to our entire society and YOU ignore them!

    • rbentrdr

      Have you seen the naked bicycle rides in major cities? It started in San Francisco, of course, and spread. People with their little kids out watching these middle aged old naked people riding through the downtown sections of major cities!! Gross! They look like me!

    • Co-opted Confederate

      “YET YOU had to make sure you were never in a compromising situation with you fag friend , Now suppose you are a SP4 in the army and your gay pursuer is a Captain how ya gonna deal with that. Huh Bunky? the Guy out ranks you by 7 pay grades is an officer and a gentleman and may have even graduated from West point. the most powerful clique in the Army. Good luck chum. Don’t ask Don’t tell worked quit well for over 20 years. the only ono bitched abouted were the pansies who got turndd down then turned out.

    • Co-opted Confederate

      Bully for you cliffie. But WHAT would you do if you were in the military and oh lets say a Homosexual Major approached you for homo sexual in an intimidatimng manor, and you were a lowly private. What would you do if he was persistant, You’d probably go cry to some one else with more rank than you and gues what / your the one who winds up on the shit list not the Officer and Gentleman if you’ve never been in the Military You Have No right No business no qualifications to say diddly about Homos in the Military they do not fit the rounf thing in a square hole sort of thingy.

  • Keith J

    Santorum needs to take stock of what he says before it blurts forth from his mouth. Taking a shower is taking a shower. How he can twist that into a sexual escapade is the product of a troubled mind. Similarly, the converse of his belief says that we should not have men AND women serving in the military because it will lead to sexual relations and lessen our preparedness for battle. It’s time for Rick Santorum to take a job at his local Medieval Times.

    • Don39

      OOPS, your stupidity, or is it your natural bias , is showing

    • Stan Lee

      Keith:
      Santorum is speaking from his gut-feeling about such issues.
      He’s never been in the military, never was really involved in organized sports. In short, he’s never been in group shower facilities regularly.
      I think a man would have to have been in such scenarios to be qualified to comment.
      But, Chris Wallace has a tendency to rejoice in tying an interview into knots.
      What he read to Santorum was for pure entrapment. It was by a General in 1941, regarding racial integration in the Army.
      That’s darned different than homosexuality!

  • Yellow Horse

    “Gay solders shower with people” Now I understand…. thats the reason that the gov. kept the aliens that crash landed on earth so gays could shower with them.(they are not people) Now I get it!!!If they bother anyone just knock their teeth out with a ball bat,Simple!!

    • Don39

      Same comment as above. Anything else rational would be over your head!

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    Santorum was trying to say having gays in a barracks is like having a bunch of girls in it. The Navy tried that and every one wound up pregnant and rich.

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  • Keith J

    No sarcasm Yellow Horse. Some of these “people” are incapable of understanding you.

    • Don39

      Oh, we understand all right.

  • John

    How times have changed ! I remember when I was in basic training in the Air Force in May of 1960. Our TI ( Tactiocal Instructor ) sat us down and went through the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He read the article and the penalties for crimes and infractions- murder, rape, robbery, etc. He came to an article and read, ” The penalty for sodomy is 30 hard labor and a dishonorable discharge, or as the courts martial shall render. ” I was a naive 19-year-old recruit, and I asked my buddies, ” What the hell is SODOMY ? ” They all had a good laugh at my expense and then explained the definition of sodomy to me in very coarse street language. Personally, I think allowing gays to serve is crazy. And I certainly don’t agree with that POS in the WH.

    THE BALLAD OF THE QUEEN BERETS
    Falling fairies from the sky,
    I broke a nail, Oh I could cry!
    Don’t you like how my tushy sways ?”
    We are the fags of the Queen Berets.
    Obama’s words upon my ears,
    ” You guys have rights ! Be proud you’re queers ! ”
    I once was scared, now it’s O.K.
    Cause I’m a fag in the Queen Berets !
    Put silver ear-clips on my nuts !
    I love the pain, now spank my butt !
    The way you walk is awfully cute.
    I sure would like to pack your chute !
    This army stuff is really slick,
    Free meals and clothes and lots of dicks.
    When I retire, I still get paid !
    I thank you, Barack, from the Queen Berets !

  • msbobbie

    What really gets me mad is Senator Santorum was the only candidate asked to respond to this question.

    I think we have a right to know what all of the others think of repealing DADT

  • http://yahoo joyce bracy

    My Son is in the Army and has served in Iraq and has served for 10 years but his enlistment is up in June 2013,the Army is after him to re enlist and he had planned to but he told me the other day he will not serve with gays.

  • nvrpc

    Gays and lesbians are freaks of nature and they are that way by choice. For that reason I chose not to recognize them for anything and I will not associate with them. They just need to be put back in the closets and people need to call them as they see them regardless of what the liberal pinheads who have destroyed this country say. They are a protected species under the endanges species act and hate crime laws written to protect their queer asses.

  • Idylewylde

    When the homosexuals take over the military, they will not have natural ties to normal society. In fact, they will have a very militant attitude against heterosexuals.

    You now know what is driving the agenda of the Lez-Gay DNC and the brokeback ac/dc RINOs.

  • Hamlet41

    When my Father was serving in the Air Force, his assistant was gay…nothing was ever said or done…he never made an issue of it and neither did my dad. They did their jobs very well and did a lot of great things together. It was the USA and the Air Force first and then whatever goes on in your private life, stays private and not make it public like so many are doing today. Don’t ask, Don’t tell…is just that. No one asks, no one tells and life just goes on.

    • Don39

      Perhaps you missed the part whewre DADT was REPEALED?

    • obamavitch5

      God or AIDS will repeal the homos.

  • Cynthia

    What they want is their perversion to be considered normal when it isn’t! Letting them serve openly will only open a can of worms. Some will try to force their homosexuality on other soldiers who aren’t interested and there will be problems. They’ll want to get “married” and be given quarters and all the benefits given to heterosexual couples. And what about the blood-borne diseases they spread, like HIV and hepatitis? How will that affect the military blood supply, not to mention their battle readiness? The whole thing is nauseating! Our next Republican president needs to reinstate Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. It worked just fine. Repealing it will destroy the best military in the world!

  • Don39

    I commend Santorum though his defence is weak.

  • http://patriotupdate.com/13157/gay-soldiers-shower-with-people-how-rick-santorum-explains-support-for-dont-ask-dont-tell Tom

    I have a very simple observation and question for those who do not have a problem with homosexuals serving in the military.

    Let me paint a picture for you. You are a mother of father, you have kids. Perhaps, one or more of your children are female.

    Now, let us consider a situation. Your daughter(s) are grown. They decide to join the military, or any other service or occupation where they will live with and serve with a large number of the same sex people. They also have to work with people of the opposite sex.

    Now consider all of these details carefully. Because of the fact that these people all work together and live in the same housing arrangement, let us consider that whether for bugetary reasons, comraderie or any other excuse that can reasonsably be imagined, there is only one large communal shower in these facilities. Further, there are arguably ways to arrange it so that men and women can maybe rotate access to these facilities or there might even be other arrangements that can be made. But on the idea that it might somehow be discrimitory to consider gender in the job, habitation arrangements or any of a number of other details. So in the interest of avoiding embarrassment or having the workers/inhabitants have to either answer questions about gender or end up having gender even considered, not only do/does your daughter(s) have the joys of co-habiting the facilities with a bunch of men, but they also get to enjoy their presence (whole groups of them), leers and possible advances while being in the showers naked together. How acceptable would this situation be to you? Would the many possible and even likely scenarios resulting from such a situation be something you would enjoy your daughter(s) enduring? What about if the government was actually supporting this?

    As for employers and heads of government agencies, including politicians and military higher up officers: What would you think about such a situation, especially if it was YOUR little girl(s) in these situations? What about the many forms of likely liability and even litigations that could and likely would come out of this?

    Finally, as a parting thought, if this is all good for the adults, what about the sickoes who might eventually even go to the logical conclusion of trying to carry this on into our high schools and grade schools? We already have a school safety Czar that obama appointed that has (the best I understand) been pushing gay rights in schools and supposedly has it on record that he was giving sexual advice to a kid about sex with an adult. I there anyone here besides me that finds all of this deeply nausiating and disturbing? If so, then maybe the move to change acceptance of gays in the military was not necessarily a good thing. After all, like the old saying goes, “what is good for the goose is good for the gander” and unless we are going to have selective enforcement or discriminatory enforcement in the U.S.A., what applies to one should apply to all in both genders and all ages. You might wish to consider this.

  • http://patriotupdate.com/13157/gay-soldiers-shower-with-people-how-rick-santorum-explains-support-for-dont-ask-dont-tell Tom

    Now that you have had time to consider my first post (above). I am sure there are many of you who are pro-gays serving openly in the military and that you are now complaining, “what in the world does this have to do with ‘gays in the military or Dont Ask Dont Tell’” right? Well, the thought behind my first post is:

    Having men and women living in groups in a work situation where they are all housed together and are using the bathrooms and showers together, seeing each other in groups daily naked, bathing together and sharing even their most private moments together, is no less that having one or more gays serving and living with groups of people of the same sex. In both situations, the person who is attracted to and who has sexual interests in the biological form and physique of those they are in the bathroom and showering with is identical. In one case it is male on male or female on female and in the other, it is male on female or female on male. It is not the gender that is as much the issue as it is the sexual interest and desires of the one group of people; male, female or gay in relation of whom they are living, using the rest room and/or showering with; female, male, or the same gender when the interests and sexual desires of the first relate to the biological genders of the second. It is all a matter of decency and the comfort level of the people potentially lusted after. A very simple question to consider when trying to decide what is right is, “if you were the only woman naked in a shower, would you feel safe or comfortable if there were a hundred naked men showering with you?” The same might also hold somewhat true if you changed the word woman to man and the second word man to woman. If you decide that you would not feel safe or comfortable, then consider the reasons why. It is not the gender that is the problem, but the sexual identities and desires. For the same reasons, if you put man or woman exclusively in the above situation and consider a similar sexual desire situation existing but with the exclusively male or female gender, then you maintain the same levels of comfort and lack of safe feeling as with the earlier situation between opposite genders. Need I say more?

  • Co-opted Confederate

    Three tims in my 30+ year military career I have had to agressively defend my self from Homosexuals who persisted in comming on to me and literlay begging me to let them do me. The Last time one of them put his limp wristed little hans on me I shoved my pistol in his face and marched him to the Provost marshalls office an pressed assault charges.
    About a week later I saw him at the infirmery accompanied by two very large Military Policemen, , I aske them what’s up and they said needed treatment for the worst case OF Gonarrhea either of them had ever seen

  • Buck

    The problem with these perverts is they don’t want to keep their filthy gross sexual activities secret , thet want them out in the open so they can use them like certain blacks use the race card to get ahead in a crowded field or to get special privileges or they will scream discrimination . If they all practiced don’t tell everywhere all the time and was not pushing there normalizing acceptance agenda I could care less about them one way or the other .

  • obamavitch5

    Do not drop the soap when in the shower with a gay.

  • Wayne

    Yes they will, and for the most part will get their noses pounded. Yet, what about a Senior officer or nco that trys that with a subordinate? If you hit one of them in them in the nose, you’ll go to jail. Nice work demoRATS and JCoS Mullen. I sometime wonder if he is a wolf in sheeps clothing .

  • jj

    This wholle thing is insane. I am completley against homosexuality. However, the gays have no desire to approach non gays. They know their boundaries. they wouldl only be causing trouble for themselves.

    There have always been gays in the military, the rest of us usually just didn’t know who they were because they dodn’t wear signs around their necks.

    How many times in the past did you ever hear of gays causing problems in the showers?

    • DPurvis

      You obviously haven’t been around very many Gay males have you!

    • Honestly

      My husband has had gay men “come after him” on the streets of Chicago, and at the workplace. Gays will go after straights. I had a lesbian come on to me at school. Get real!

  • Stan Lee

    These P.C. politicians are going to hurt enlistments and morale in a major way.
    Fairness regarding the military is a well-trained and ready military. It needs go no further than that.
    The ranks shouldn’t be exposed to anything that distracts from their purposes.
    The volunteer military is not civilian life and politicians should have stayed out of the military’s business.
    Every military branch has effective methods for dealing with homosexuality.
    As usual, the politicians are overreaching and overregulating.

  • http://www.jerseysal.com Jersey Sal

    Gay or straight, our attitudes are cultural. I know of more than a few women who were harassed sexually while serving in the military by men. I was pursued by a female Major when I was in. It’s gonna happen, sports fans and gays will not be a bigger problem than straights. If I’m showering with my squad I want to know who to watch, not be “caught from behind”. LOL So lighten up and stop giving this issue life by your homophobic rants. BTW I served with the 75th Rangers and have 4 kids so I am not a closet homosexual. I don’t care what someone does out of my range as long as they keep it that way and respect my space.

    • http://x Washington22

      So you agree that the policy is OK? But the whole point is that they have to get in the showers with each other………..It’s discusting and an “open invitation” and if you are familiar with how promiscus the gays are, then you know it’s a miserable situation for our military personel. It opens the door for a lot of disruption……..and it makes hetros VERY uncomfortable………….and it’s a perversion.

  • http://patriotupdate.com/13157/gay-soldiers-shower-with-people-how-rick-santorum-explains-support-for-dont-ask-dont-tell Tom

    Buck:

    You make a very valid point and one I have tried to make for years. The thing is, many of those in the gay community scream about fairness when the straight people hold hands, walk arm-in-arm or exchange a kiss somewhere. The truth of the matter is, I have several friends who are gay and even though I am straight and somewhat repulsed by the male on male public affection, I believe fair is fair and I have never said anything about it until now. As far as I am concerned, anyone can show such affection for anyone so long as they are not trying to force their behaviors on me or on my family. What does bother me though, is when gays use the aforementioned types of affection to justify things like the Rainbow Coalition Parades where the gay community parade down the streets either naked and showing extensive public affection or they wear costumes that graphically demonstrate the private parts of the human body and promote the same sex sexual acts that should remain private for all sexual preferances, especially in keeping these things out from infront of children. Then the gays want to demonize “breeders” as the straight community is often referred to while seeking special privilages for their sexual preferences and refusing to understand that if it were not for us breeders, they would die out. You do not procreate as a rule while engaging in same sex sexual practices. If left to their own devices, they would likely end up like a certain medieval community that used to prosper that was known as the “Castrators”. They could not procreate, they lost favor in society and they eventually (as far as I know) died out.

    Co-opted Confederate:

    I sympathise. I served in two branches of the military; the La. Army National Guard and the U.S. Navy Nuclear Sub service. In both cases, I did see gay activity, real and faked in the service. I observed sexual activity between a group of lesbians and one bisexual at a party, two brothers who faked being gay to get a discharge and ended up in the middle of a beat down because they chose to do this in the middle of a whole bunch of other troops and then acosted some of them, and I knew a guy who once grabbed at my genitals and ended up with my knife in his crotch with the sudden realization that had he persisted, I had every intention at that time of giving him an extensive abrupt sex change. Again, I am straight and do not have any problems with gays, so long as they do not try to be “in your face with it” such as in the gay parades and so long as they do not try to force it on me or my family, especially kids. In fact, my first baby sitter for the first couple of years of my life was a very nice and decent lesbian who meant a whole lot to me, my sister and our family. She used to do a wonderful job, while demonstrating very well that you can be gay, enjoy the lifestyle if you wish and not try to force it on anyone or wave it like some perverted flag in people’s faces.

  • http://patriotupdate.com/13157/gay-soldiers-shower-with-people-how-rick-santorum-explains-support-for-dont-ask-dont-tell Tom

    Of course, I hope that those writing and reading these posts realize on overriding truth here. We can all read and write to our heart’s content, but unless someone involved in making decisions on such matters ever reads and pays attention to what we write, this post and others like it end up only serving as distractions from any meaningful efforts on these and other situations and becomes simply a mass form of mental masterbation. One thing that has remained consistant in every thread I have ever provided a post to, I alway promote action over idle communications. What about you?