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ACLU Okay with Prayer in Public Schools (Muslim prayer that is)

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Carver Elementary school in San Diego is possibly going to allow Muslim students to pray in school.

Would someone please explain to me why the ACLU, who has fought all-things Christian for decades, is not only okay with this but is calling everyone who doesn’t agree ‘intolerant’?

According to Kevin Keenan, spokesperson for the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties, “Performing these prayers is widely—if not universally—recognized as one of the five essential ‘pillars’ of Islam. One of these prayer times will always fall during the school day at Carver when students are required by law to be at school.”

Um, Mr. Keenan, the Quran tells Muslims to do a LOT of things we don’t want them doing here in America.  It isn’t a religion to them, it is a law.

Oh and also, Mr. Keenan, prayer for Christians is also a widely—if not universally—recognized essential of Christianity.

“Some ideological groups, who seem to prefer culture wars more than honoring constitutional standards for freedom of religion, are excitedly writing direct mail pieces to promote sectarian religious agendas,” Keenan wrote in a statement on the ACLU website.  “It is important that the public be aware of some of the deep ironies and biases in some of their arguments.”

If you want to talk ‘ironies’ and ‘biases’, this is the same ACLU that has been fighting freedom of religion in public schools for decades by banning prayer in schools completely.  This is the same ACLU that has (wrongly) asserted that it is unconstitutional to allow any type of prayer and/or religion in schools.

Yet they’re perfectly okay with children following whatever the violent Quran tells them to do?

Of course, the ACLU is doing their usual progressive thing by calling opposition to this issue “inflammatory rhetoric” and that people are using “prejudiced assertions” instead of stepping back and thinking, “Hey ACLU people, are we maybe being a tad hypocritical here?”

The ACLU—founded in 1920 by an anarchist/Socialist/Communist-leaning man named Roger Nash Baldwin—has been the end-all-be-all in public schools for decades.  For whatever strange reasons, they seem to have the power to determine ‘right and wrong’ in public schools.

So ACLU people out there, if you determine it is okay for Muslims to pray in schools are you going to change your stance on Christian prayer as well?

But no, of course the ACLU isn’t looking at the irony in claiming everyone in the US is prejudice if they don’t think it’s fair for one “religious” group to be allowed to pray in public schools while other (real) religious groups may not.   Of course they’re going to try to divert attention away from the actual subject.  Of course they’re going to follow the rules of Progressivism 101 and lie, cheat and scam Americans into believing right is wrong, wrong is right, black is white, white is black…

And of course, the San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations supports the Carver program.  Sigh.

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  • judy

    what a bunch of bs. i say bring class action suits against them in every state.

    • daves

      The author does not seem to understand the difference between children’s right to pray and state sponsored prayer.

      DETROIT – The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student’s entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

      While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious expression of students, said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg, who represented the student. “”In this case, a high school purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a student’s speech because it was religious in nature.

    • AmericansRon2U

      Daves…the Constitution DOES NOT forbid promoting prayer in schools. This is the lie perpetrated by the Commie lefties via the ACLU and other like-minded organizations. The 1st Amendment clearly states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      The Founders had Bibles in Congress and schools had them as well. The meaning of the 1st Amendment as it pertains to religion is that the Government CANNOT force a State religion on ‘we the people’ (such as the Muslims do with Islam, by the way). Government was to keep its big fat nose out of people’s religion…it was not meant for religion to be eliminated from Government or schools or anything else in our Republic. The communist infiltrators who have set out to destroy our Republic are the folks who have twisted and distorted our Constitution to the point of it being unrecognizable these days! Oh, and since the commies eliminated prayer and are hell-bent on banishing Christianity, our country has sunken into a dark abyss. Coincidence? I think not.

    • c shepard

      You are totally correct. I just wanted you to Know God is in control. Just read the back of a Christian Bible . God wins and so do all Christians

    • Mike Tanco

      When the President of the United States is a Muslim, what do you expect? All of the dumb-ass Democrats believe this prick. He is not even a legal citizen. Mike Tanco

    • J Gary Hunt

      You are correct, that school should be Boycotted by all the Christian students and faculty.

    • daves

      The Schools back then were private and Bibles and school endorsed Prayer is allowed in private schools still.

      You may argue for the literal “Congress” shall make no law but that has been interpreted to mean Government. It is what protects all of our religious freedoms.

    • Julie

      Well if they’re going to allow the muslims to pray to allah in the public schools than I say all the Christian children should loudly pray to God at the same time. That way there is no discrimination to either religion.

    • Tim

      Daves you’ve misinterpreted the facts: our freedom would allow kids to have time to pray in school if that was their choice. The ACLU has consistently blocked the ability to even offer a time for prayerful reflection. The ACLU is the most dangerous and ANTI-American institute in the nation! Our society was more united, productive, and respectful when we had prayer in school. The FACT that God exists is denied by a minority even today, yet they hold the rest of the nation captive because of groups like the ACLU and Freedom From Religion Foundation who have attacked Christians and Christianity for decades. They don’t give a darn about religion it’s just Christianity that they hate.

    • Roy

      Aman.
      What a differrance the USA would be now if prayer and God had not been removed from our schools.
      PRAY AMERICA

    • am2sweet

      Well, since the Constitiution doesn’t forbid prayer in schools which I knew, then this is more proof that the ACLU and others are just biased against Christians. Of course we already knew that too. Too bad they can’t look at the proof and admit they are just biased. I’d love to see one of them explain just what is so wrong about Christians when we don’t push some ‘religion’ that approves murder and abuse?

    • vietnamvet

      Rubbish! The author perfectly understands the difference between children’s right to pray and state sponsored prayer.

      She correctly points out that the ACLU has worked hard to prevent children’s right to pray in schools.

      Now, the ACLU is adopting a position that could be used to promote state sponsored prayer for Muslims.

    • daves

      Can you name one single case where the ACLU was in favor of the school preventing children from praying?

    • Retired USAF MSgt

      The following is the letter sent by the ACLU and other organizations to the Bastrop ISD:

      TO OFFICIALS OF BASTROP HIGH SCHOOL AND THE TRUSTEES OF THE BASTROP INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING PRAYER AT GRADUATION CEREMONIES

      May 26, 2011

      Our organizations are deeply troubled by Bastrop High School’s long history of presenting prayers as part of the official program at graduation ceremonies. Although the Supreme Court made it abundantly clear almost two decades ago that public schools cannot include prayers as part of school events, School District officials have persisted with this practice.

      Only when a student complained and threatened to sue did the School District take steps to discontinue the practice by replacing the prayer with a moment-of-silence. The steps taken, however, were far from effective. Instead of having a school official introduce the moment-of-silence — which would have ensured that the opportunity was not abused — school officials turned to a student. Not surprisingly, the student chose to deliver the Lord’s Prayer — while school officials sat idly by. To date, no apology has been delivered to the community by Bastrop High School officials or the Board of Trustees, for either past or recent events.

      It is certainly not surprising that the student did not obey the School’s express directions, for she has been educated by a school system that has itself chosen to flout constitutional requirements. The school system’s longstanding disregard for constitutional norms has predictably bred a culture of noncompliance. This persistent culture will remain entrenched unless and until the School District takes at least some of the following actions:

      - Issue a statement to the community and its students explaining the District’s legal duty to enforce and abide by the legal prohibition on the public schools’ sponsorship of graduation prayer, and assuring the community that past events will not recur. The School should use this opportunity to further its mission to educate the community and future graduating classes about legal requirements.

      - Issue an apology to the student complainant, who was treated as a pariah not just by the community but by the School itself. Instead, he should have been honored for protecting a precious constitutional principle and calling the District’s attention to a longstanding, egregious violation of the law.

      - Consider disciplining the student for insubordination to the same extent that it would discipline other similar infractions, insofar as the District retains jurisdiction to do so. The student’s insubordination is especially troubling here because of the School’s history of sponsoring and encouraging prayers in the past.

      - In the future, the school system should ensure that graduation exercises are not exploited to present religious messages. The moment-of-silence can be presented by a school official rather than a student. If a student is used, the District cannot passively sit by if the student once again abuses this opportunity.

      We urge Bastrop Independent School District officials to assure the community of their intent to comply with constitutional requirements. A decision to remain silent would serve to confirm that the prayer that was presented at the 2011 graduation was just the most recent in a long line of unconstitutional District-sponsored prayers.

    • Retired USAF MSgt

      I believe the above should cover Daves request for evidence of the ACLUs attitude toward prayer.

    • daves

      You see Master Sergeant, that is an example of school sponsored prayer. It in no way prohibits a student from praying.

    • one mad American

      Texas has already armed themselves, all I can say for now.

    • Texas Thunder

      @one mad American
      Are you regularly going to the shooting range and practicing “gun control?” We here in Houston are.

    • catman

      Yes, and Arizona is doing the same thing. The 3rd revolution is just around the corner folks. As Benjamin Franklin stated, “the tree of liberty must be periodically watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike”.
      Like the Boy Scout motto says, “BE PREPARED”.

    • james

      Locked and loaded in East Texas. The best way to get the aclu out is to “choot em”

    • Joan

      I agree this has to stop enough of this ACLU!!!Thay have too much to say in any matter of what good for America. We want the Aclu to mind it’s own business if you want muslim praying in school them by God we pary our pray’s in school also. ACLU mind your own business

    • LadyLiberty

      I say pray everyday, any where you want, in any school in the USA; continually until they get our message right. Be ready to support your kids and don’t back down. What is good for the Muslims is good for any other religion. No more silence!!!

    • Mike

      There seems to be a question of whether this is their “religion” or their “law”. What’s the difference….on point one the ACLU has fought against prayer in school, so if this is part of the Muslim religion it should be OUT. If on the other hand it is part of their LAW then they need to go back to an Islamic country where THEIR LAW is enforced. Their LAW is not OUR LAW and this is OUR country.

    • Randy131

      The ACLU is an organization founded by the Communist Party of the USA, and it’s goal is to destroy Christianity, a religion it rightfully thinks is preventing the Communist takeover of the USA. It fears no other religion, especially the Islamic religion, which if you read the Quran, seeks dominion over the earth, as does Satan, from which this religion comes from, and is proven so by the precepts, dictates, and mandates of Allah as written in the Quran. Christians need to educate themselves by investigating Islam and what it stands for, for the gift from GOD of a ‘Free Will’ is denied everyone through Islam and Satan. Muslims claim to be descendents of Abraham through Ishmail, yet call their brothers the Jews, pigs in the Quran and are instructed to exterminate the Jewish race, something that GOD will never allow, as explained in the Bible and Torah. It’s all out there for you to understand if you only investigate the Quran and Islam to learn the truth that all independent historians say about Muhammad and the religion that he alone invented, with the help of jin(s).

  • Whackajig

    If there exists a more un-American outfit than the aclu, I’d shudder to think about it.

    We must have a real bunch of chitty judges to even listen to the pleas of those aclu scumbags.

  • mad as hell

    Hopefully the parents will be all over this
    pile of crap from the ACLU and demand that this either be all inclusive or get rid of the muslim prayer time. come on America…
    WAKE UP…

  • WILLIAM VIRELLA

    I GUESS ITS OK TO TAKE GOD OUT OF THE SCHOOLS BUT ITS OK TO WELCOME THE DEVIL.

  • gail

    you have got to be kidding me…what is this country becoming…muslim? We are Americans and it is bad enough that christian prayer is not allowed anymore but why should we allow muslim prayer..if they do not like it here…go back to there blessed homeland and leave US alone…I am so tired of bending over backwards to apease everyone else…what about MY rights and MY way of life..it is being destroyed right before my eyes and we have got to stand up speak up to get OUR country back…before it is to late!

  • ROSE BEACH

    WHAT PART DON’T YOU LIKE?

  • Dora

    Just makes me love the ACLJ all the more and want to support them. They fight the commie loving ilk with all their might.

  • Owen Grant

    You got to be kidding me. This BS doesn’t deserve any ink.

    • murph

      Sorry Owen,
      But this needs a LOT of ink.! People need to know what the corrupt ACLU is doing. If ANY group needs to be disbanded, it’s the ACLU. The Treasury Dept. next.

    • PHIL

      OWEN:
      THIS CERTAINLY DOES DESERVE INK TIME!!
      ACLU=American Communist Lawyers Union..

  • Spyder Jack

    REALLY? REALLY??

    I am shocked that the ACLU has done a flip-flop on prayer as it does not matter if prayer is a means to communicate with whomever (G)god it is that they are praying to and for whatever provisions they seek. To me there is no difference. If the ACLU wants to make a certain religious organisation acceptable for prayer then it needs to do the same for all groups; not upholding one group over another.

    This makes me sick!

  • Jim

    Anti Christ Lawyers Union is never going to back anything that is Christian. It is all about doing away with anything that is relative to Jesus Christ. You can have any religion you want until you start talking about Jesus, then it is not okay.

    • daves

      The ACLU is vigilant in defending our freedom to worship as we please without Government intervention.

      I thank God they are here for us.

    • Izzy’s Gma

      The ACLU needs to be here for all of us, Christians as well as Islamics. If Islamic prayer is allowed in schools, then Christian, Jewish, and other types of prayer should also be. It’s only fair and the only response possible that shows no prejudice for anyone.

    • patty

      Then I would like to see ever Christian and Jewish student wear their cross or star of David to school. Also to pray before lunch in the cafeteria. Jewish people also have a rituial of hand washing and prayer after the meal. Lets see how far that gets. Whats fair is fair.

    • OAHS

      Go f yourself … Muslims need to get out of the US … take their stupid azz religion and their leader from the White House and leave …

    • Dean

      DAVE, you should just leave this country and go to some muslim Arab nation. I really don’t care where you go just get out of my country.

    • Brett

      …just as long as Christ is not mentioned. You are a ‘deceived and useful idiot’ that will lament your loss of freedom when the ACLU forces Marxism down your throat, and then the Muslims line you up for beheading.

    • rulken

      Dave, you are obviously suffering from the mental disorder, of liberalism!

    • daves

      What is liberal about religious freedom? Are you opposed to this freedom?

    • billie

      Dave you are a complete idiot.

    • Julie

      I think you need to lay off the Kool-Aide. It’s really affecting your brain cells.

      The question should be when has the ACLU ever stood up for the right of Christians to pray anytime / anywhere they want?

    • daves

      DES MOINES–The Iowa Civil Liberties Union today announced that it is publicly supporting the Christian students who recently filed a lawsuit against the Davenport Schools asserting the right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.

      The school’s policy against the distribution of religious literature outside of class is clearly wrong, said Ben Stone, Executive Director of the ICLU. “”Not only does the policy violate the students’ right to freely exercise their religious beliefs, but it also infringes on their free speech rights,” he said.

      —–
      NATCHITOCHES, LA – The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana today announced a federal court’s decision in its free speech lawsuit on behalf of Christian protester Edwin Crayton, whose rights were violated by Natchitoches’ unconstitutional permit requirements.

      In October of 2006, Crayton peacefully picketed for about 40 minutes on a public sidewalk in Natchitoches with a sign that said: “Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Lifestyles And Marriage. Don’t Shop There.” He was then approached by a Natchitoches police officer who refused to allow him to continue protesting without obtaining a permit. Despite the passage of several weeks after application for a permit, the mayor failed to approve Crayton’s request, which resulted in the ACLU of Louisiana lawsuit.

      —–
      BOSTON – In an important victory for religious freedom, a federal appeals court ruled that Rhode Island corrections officials cannot bar a Christian prisoner from preaching during religious services at the state prison. The ruling comes in a case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island.

      Religious freedom is too precious a right to be arbitrarily denied to individuals in the custody, and at the mercy, of government officials,” said Steven Brown, Executive Director of the ACLU of Rhode Island.

      The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit overturned a district court decision that allowed the Adult Correctional Institute (ACI) to bar Wesley Spratt from preaching during weekly religious services. Spratt, who is a lay minister, had preached at the ACI without incident for seven years before he was unilaterally stopped from doing so by a new warden in 2003. The warden cited vague security concerns in his decision. Spratt challenged the ban, but a district court judge sided with the warden.

      —–
      Khouzam, a Coptic Christian, came to the U.S. in 1998 as a refugee from religious persecution in Egypt. In February, 2004, a U.S. Court of Appeals granted him relief from removal under the Convention Against Torture (CAT), finding that it was “more likely than not” that he would be tortured if returned to Egypt. Khouzam remained in immigration detention until he was released in February 2006. He has been living with his family and working in Pennsylvania.

      On May 29, 2007, after appearing for a routine check-in with immigration authorities, Khouzam was abruptly detained at the York County, PA jail. He was told that the State Department had secured a promise from Egypt that he would not be tortured, and informed that his deportation to that country would take place as soon as June 1. Neither Khouzam nor his lawyers has seen the Egyptian promise. An emergency petition for a stay of Khouzam’s removal order until June 7, 2007 was issued last week, by Judge Thomas I. Vanaskie of the District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania. In addition, Khouzam’s attorneys filed an emergency petition with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit yesterday. That petition was denied as moot on June 1.

      Our government should be smart enough to know that it shouldn’t believe the empty promises of Egyptian diplomats that they won’t torture,” said Christopher Anders, ACLU legislative counsel. “The Egyptian diplomats can cross their fingers and say they won’t torture again, but their full torture chambers tell the real story.

      —–
      DETROIT – The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student’s entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

      While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious expression of students, said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg, who represented the student. “”In this case, a high school purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a student’s speech because it was religious in nature.

    • SAM

      SO, Dave, can you give us an example of anytime the ACLU has defended Christian’s rights?

    • PHIL

      WELL DAVE YOU MUST BE A CLOSET COMMUNIST!
      THANK YOU FOR COMMING OUT OF THE CLOSET. NOW WE KNOW!
      YOU DIP S–T!

  • Old Vet

    Why not have a “room” set up as a chapel and let any student who wants to pray be given the time to do, in the “chapel” room. This way rag head kids can use it, as well as other faiths. No religious items are allowed in the room. They have these kind of rooms in hospitals, why not schools.
    As for the aclu, you do realize that YOU INFRINGE the right of the people to worship by the simple fact that YOU DENY THEM THEIR RIGHT TO PRACTICE THEIR FAITH. IT DOES NOT SAY WHERE PEOPLE MAY PRACTICE THEIR FAITH, IT’S NOT SPECIFIED, SINCE YOU GET MONEY FROM THE GOV’T YOU ARE BREAKING THE 1st AMENDMENT. Don’t believe me? Read it word for word, there is no requirement to practice ones faith in a specified place. This means IN PUBLIC is allowed, so by your preventing this YOU ARE BREAKING THE 1st Amendment………….learning is such a wonderful thing.

    • daves

      When has the ACLU ever denied anyone the right to practice their faith?

    • OAHS

      It’s not their place …

    • Brett

      For Christians, constantly and ‘religiously’…

    • daves

      Not very specific there??

    • John

      The ACLU is not anti-religion, just anti-Christian. By definition, it’s the American Civil Liberties Union. By action, it has become the Abolishing Christian Legacy Union.

      95 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics).

      90 percent of Americans recognize Christmas as the birthday of Jesus Christ (Gallup).

      88 percent of Americans say it is okay for people to wish others “Merry Christmas” and the majority of Americans are more likely to wish someone they just met “Merry Christmas” rather than “Happy Holidays” (CNN/USA Today/Gallup).

      87 percent of Americans believe nativity scenes should be allowed on public property (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics).

      When it comes to the Christian faith, the spokesmen, policy-makers, and attorneys for the ACLU have made their position painfully clear: they’re against it. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

      Although they have fought for the free speech and expression “rights” of pornographers, witches, abortionists, homosexuals, convicted criminals, child molesters, occultists, Communists, lesbians, Nazis, illegal aliens, AIDS patients, and Satanists, they have resolutely attempted to deny those same privileges to Christians. As a result, they have effectively reduced “the place of religion in American life” and have restricted religious speech in a way they would never allow other forms of speech to be restricted.

      Their discriminatory intolerance is a matter of record. They have repeatedly sought to:

      •Halt the singing of Christmas carols like “Silent Night” and “Away in a Manger” in public facilities;
      •Deny the tax-exempt status of all churches–yet maintaining it for themselves as well as for various occult groups;
      •Disallow prayer–not just in the public school classrooms, but in locker rooms, sports arenas, graduation exercises, and legislative assemblies;
      •Terminate all military and prison chaplains;
      •Deny Christian school children access to publicly funded services;
      •Eliminate nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols from public property;
      •Prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools–even during free time or after classes;
      •Remove the words In God We Trust from our coins;
      •Deny accreditation to science departments at Bible-believing Christian Universities;
      •Prevent the posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms;
      •Terminate all voucher programs and tuition tax credits;
      •Purge the words under God from the Pledge of Allegiance.

      A “tribute” to ACLU founder Roger Baldwin’s support of communism below:

      The fact is the ACLU is simply out of touch with mainstream America, as demonstrated recently by a group of Texas University students’ placement of an ”ACLU Nativity Scene,” complete with Gary and Joseph (instead of Mary and Joseph) and the three wise men: Lenin, Marx, and Stalin?

      You will not see the ACLU attempt the above with Muslims or other religions.

      The ACLU has been true to form in opposing any and all Christian practices and symbols in public arenas and elsewhere.

      So far this season it has already muscled the city council in Berkley, Mich. to move a Christmas nativity off public property.

      The ACLU also sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, Tenn., because its Christmas program included “Christian themes and songs” – what the ACLU calls
      “unconstitutional and illegal”.

      Alongside its crusade to suppress Christmas, the ACLU of Tennessee also found time to write Cumberland County Mayor Brock Hill to assure the removal from the courthouse sidewalk of a wooden carved statue depicting Moses holding the Ten Commandments.

      The ACLU opposed the Winston-Salem City Council’s practice of opening its meetings with a prayer referencing Jesus or Christ.

      The ACLU tries to justify and hide behind these anti-Christian crusades by saying its motivation is to preserve First Amendment and minority rights.

      The first problem is that it’s not equally protecting the rights of Christians, when they are in the minority. If the ACLU wants to fight for the underdogs, then why not battle for the Christian voice that is being progressively suppressed every Christmas?

      The second problem is that they are not preserving First Amendment rights but are perverting the subordinate Establishment Clause (which prevents government from establishing a national religion, like there was in England) and the Free Exercise Clause (which preserves our rights to worship as we want).

      Both clauses were intended to safeguard religious liberty, not separate church and state. Nor was their objective to keep religious symbols away from public places! As is often noted, the Framers were seeking to guarantee a freedom of religion, not a freedom from religion.

      The ACLU will assure Muslim clerics and imams the right to pray on planes, fight for an atheist’s rights to remove a cross, stand beside pro-abortionists, help illegal aliens cross our borders, and establish rights for the sexual deviant by forming the ACLU Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Project.

      But what is it doing for Christians and Christmas censorship?

    • murph

      ARE YOU HAVING FUN SPOUTING OFF INANE STUPIDITY JUST TO RILE PEOPLE?
      PLEASE, SAVE IT. WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH, AND THIS ISN’T HELPING.

    • John

      The ACLU is not anti-religion, just anti-Christian. By definition, it’s the American Civil Liberties Union. By action, it has become the Abolishing Christian Legacy Union.

      95 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics).

      90 percent of Americans recognize Christmas as the birthday of Jesus Christ (Gallup).

      88 percent of Americans say it is okay for people to wish others “Merry Christmas” and the majority of Americans are more likely to wish someone they just met “Merry Christmas” rather than “Happy Holidays” (CNN/USA Today/Gallup).

      87 percent of Americans believe nativity scenes should be allowed on public property (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics).

      When it comes to the Christian faith, the spokesmen, policy-makers, and attorneys for the ACLU have made their position painfully clear: they’re against it. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

      Although they have fought for the free speech and expression “rights” of pornographers, witches, abortionists, homosexuals, convicted criminals, child molesters, occultists, Communists, lesbians, Nazis, illegal aliens, AIDS patients, and Satanists, they have resolutely attempted to deny those same privileges to Christians. As a result, they have effectively reduced “the place of religion in American life” and have restricted religious speech in a way they would never allow other forms of speech to be restricted.

      Their discriminatory intolerance is a matter of record. They have repeatedly sought to:

      •Halt the singing of Christmas carols like “Silent Night” and “Away in a Manger” in public facilities;
      •Deny the tax-exempt status of all churches–yet maintaining it for themselves as well as for various occult groups;
      •Disallow prayer–not just in the public school classrooms, but in locker rooms, sports arenas, graduation exercises, and legislative assemblies;
      •Terminate all military and prison chaplains;
      •Deny Christian school children access to publicly funded services;
      •Eliminate nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols from public property;
      •Prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools–even during free time or after classes;
      •Remove the words In God We Trust from our coins;
      •Deny accreditation to science departments at Bible-believing Christian Universities;
      •Prevent the posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms;
      •Terminate all voucher programs and tuition tax credits;
      •Purge the words under God from the Pledge of Allegiance.

      A “tribute” to ACLU founder Roger Baldwin’s support of communism below:

      The fact is the ACLU is simply out of touch with mainstream America, as demonstrated recently by a group of Texas University students’ placement of an ”ACLU Nativity Scene,” complete with Gary and Joseph (instead of Mary and Joseph) and the three wise men: Lenin, Marx, and Stalin?

      You will not see the ACLU attempt the above with Muslims or other religions.

      The ACLU has been true to form in opposing any and all Christian practices and symbols in public arenas and elsewhere.

      So far this season it has already muscled the city council in Berkley, Mich. to move a Christmas nativity off public property.

      The ACLU also sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, Tenn., because its Christmas program included “Christian themes and songs” – what the ACLU calls
      “unconstitutional and illegal”.

      Alongside its crusade to suppress Christmas, the ACLU of Tennessee also found time to write Cumberland County Mayor Brock Hill to assure the removal from the courthouse sidewalk of a wooden carved statue depicting Moses holding the Ten Commandments.

      The ACLU opposed the Winston-Salem City Council’s practice of opening its meetings with a prayer referencing Jesus or Christ.

      The ACLU tries to justify and hide behind these anti-Christian crusades by saying its motivation is to preserve First Amendment and minority rights.

      The first problem is that it’s not equally protecting the rights of Christians, when they are in the minority. If the ACLU wants to fight for the underdogs, then why not battle for the Christian voice that is being progressively suppressed every Christmas?

      The second problem is that they are not preserving First Amendment rights but are perverting the subordinate Establishment Clause (which prevents government from establishing a national religion, like there was in England) and the Free Exercise Clause (which preserves our rights to worship as we want).

      Both clauses were intended to safeguard religious liberty, not separate church and state. Nor was their objective to keep religious symbols away from public places! As is often noted, the Framers were seeking to guarantee a freedom of religion, not a freedom from religion.

      The ACLU will assure Muslim clerics and imams the right to pray on planes, fight for an atheist’s rights to remove a cross, stand beside pro-abortionists, help illegal aliens cross our borders, and establish rights for the sexual deviant by forming the ACLU Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Project.

      But what is it doing for Christians and Christmas censorship?

    • brdo

      That’s a wonderful idea we’ll never see a small chapel in a school.

    • PHIL

      FROM ONE OLD VET TO ANOTHER.
      THANK YOU BROTHER FOR YOUR SERVICE.
      BEST REGARDS!

  • http://www.permanentradwastesolutions.com Dean Engelhardt

    As public school is a taxpayer-supported institution, I think that all religion, Christianity, Islam, and all others be excluded from school. Those who feel that they must do elements of their religion at specified times are welcome to enroll in a private non-taxpayer-supported school. The ACLU was correct in their stand on no Christian observances in school, but they should be consistent and include all religions.

  • tweety

    Looks like we need to invent a couple of pillars of Christianity.

  • Randal

    The ACLU was founded by 2 Communists who’s stated goal for America was to turn it into a Socialist nation.Check it out for yourself.

  • http://www.americagonestupid.com nvrpc

    Screw the Muslims and anyone who supports them. The ACLU is a communist organization and a domestic terrorist organization on US soil just as is the United Nations and they need to be romoved from our land immediately, period.

    • daves

      These are citizens of the United States. Do you want to deny them their constitutional rights?

    • OAHS

      No, I want them to leave …

    • WTF

      WE CHRISTIANS ARE DENIED OUR RIGHTS FOR PRAYER IN SCHOOL. WHAT MAKES THEM SO SPECIAL??….DAVEY

    • daves

      Christians can pray in school anytime they want. A teacher or coach cannot lead that prayer just like they cannot lead the prayers for Muslim students.

      Here in Minnesota the ACLU filed suit against a charter school for supporting the Muslim religion because they were receiving state funds. There is a big difference here and wish people could see it.

    • Olesarge

      “Here in Minnesota the ACLU filed suit against a charter school for supporting the Muslim religion because they were receiving state funds. There is a big difference here and wish people could see it.”

      We do see it Dave but that was just a token case in an attempt to show that the ACLU isn’t biased one way or another. You must know as well as I do why they will not stop the Muslims from praying like they do with other religions. People who interfere with the Muslims have a habit of being found dead.

    • marge

      Dave–where in the world do you live ?? We
      live in America and a Christian Nation and we
      also have more right to keep a Prayer in a school, commandments in a Judge’s office or courtroom as they are rules that all should live by and like rules of the road a map to
      keep them on the right way. All this chaos we now have is forgetting all these rules. We live in the greatest country in the world when in the USA then follow our rules & laws or leave . Don’t cause problems.

    • rulken

      No STUPID, we want them to stop denying us our rights!
      Are you really this wacked?

    • dntmkmecomovrther

      Those who immigrate to the US and become Citizens of the US swear an allegiance to this country and it’s laws; not some foreign law or culture as the muslims want to claim. So, if they want the rights of a US citizen, they will have to abide by the definition of ‘US Citizen’. I don’t see that occurring anywhere.

    • daves

      I was talking about the ACLU here, not the Muslims. nvrpc says the ACLU should be kicked out.

    • SAM

      Dave, You sound like you are just on here to create havoc. YOur comments are such a waste of time. Childish and inane.

    • Texas Thunder

      @Sam
      daves is the token Minnesota liberal. I’m curious what he thinks about the Tea Party ideals and also Michele Bachmann who is from his neck of the woods.

    • daves

      Token?

      I am very impressed by what the Tea Party has accomplished and I share much of their anger toward the Government. I completely disagree about what the solutions are.

      Rep. Michele Bachmann officially joined the presidential campaign trail, but made a flurry of false and misleading claims along the way.

      The Minnesota Republican appeared on two Sunday talk shows the day before giving her formal announcement speech in Waterloo, Iowa. On the shows, she made false statements about income from her family farm and government subsidies to her husband’s business. She also made misstatements regarding earmarks, federal pay, government-owned “limousines” and health care:

      Bachmann falsely claimed that she and her husband “have never gotten a penny” from a family farm that received federal subsidies. But she reported income from the farm in 2006, 2008 and 2009 — the most recent year available — on her congressional financial disclosure statements.

      She claimed she had been “faithful” to her pledge not to request federal earmarks. But she requested $40 million in transportation earmarks in the 2009 fiscal year budget after taking the pledge, later claiming such projects should not be subjected to her promise. She withdrew her requests after the House Republicans took a party position in 2010 not to seek earmarks.

      Bachmann wrongly blamed President Obama for increasing the number of federal transportation workers who earn more than $170,000 from one to 1,690 during the recession. At least two-thirds of those employees were receiving more than $170,000 before Obama took office.

      She criticized the president for a 73 percent increase in government “limousines.” But one department accounted for the increase, and it had a long-term plan, pre-dating Obama, to add armored vehicles. The term “limousine” includes armored vehicles and sedans, not just actual limos.

      She claimed government money received by her husband’s counseling clinics did not benefit the business, because the funds paid for employee training. It’s true the clinics received $24,041 for training, but the business received thousands more in government funds, including money for treating crime victims.

      The three-term congresswoman repeated — on two Sunday shows — the false claim that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the federal health care law will “cost the economy 800,000 jobs.” The CBO never said that. It said there will be a “small” impact on jobs.

  • Andrew

    i cant understand why the aclu even exist. it severs no purpose but to challange and bring down everything our country stands for. i dont care who you are, if you support the aclu, you are NOT an American.

  • http://rebelforiam.com m. sharpe

    The “state” should not be educating our children. The aclu, and a.d.l. are Atheist and are promoting the New World Order. They are apart of the Monopoly Men and also the little horn in Daniel.All of the beast in Daniel and Revelation are alive and oppose Christ Jesus;Always have, always will.

  • Claudette Holt

    This makes me sick! I can’t believe we bend over backwards for these people. They need to learn to live by our laws and our rules. And the ACLU needs to be done away with.Where does their funding come from the Feds most likely.

    • Patriot41

      Yes, in fact the ACLU receives federal dollars for every case they prosecute. The best way to put them out of business is to cut off taxpayer dollars going to fund their atheistic agenda.

    • daves

      What are you talking about?

      First they do not prosecute cases, they defend people who’s rights have been violated by the Government. And second, they only fight the Government so it wouldn’t make much sense to get their funding from them.

  • jim

    If no prayer is what the rules say then it’s NO PRAYER at all, reguardless of religon. If I was there I’d file a lawsuit. Let’s play the game ! No crosses allowed, no praying hands – No prayer rugs, no down on the knees position. Play the game to the fullest extent, none of this do as I say not as I do !

  • just wondering

    My family (both sides) came to this country mainly for freedom of religion in the early 1900′s. The men faught for this country back then, and the men AND women have faught more recently. They will NEVER stop of from praying! ANYWHERE!

  • http://rebelforiam.com m. sharpe

    The Progressive agenda calls for allowing Two Faiths that never got along with each other,to destroy one another. There money is on Islam just in case anyone is wondering.

  • http://Dianna Dianna Van Zandt

    This has to be stopped by every parent out there. This is the United States!!!!

  • http://Patriotupdate carolyn

    I think the American Parents should pull their kids out of this school!! No kids , no funding!!

  • Charles Martel

    The aclu versus Christ, guess WHO ultimately wins???!!!

    • Old Moses

      Well, who is winning ? Perhaps you should define “ultimately”.

    • Roy

      The dictionary says; At last; in the end; eventually. Does that help?

  • ARMYOF69

    Why not allow all the muslims to go and adore at obama’s home?

  • Old Moses

    Just another foot hold for the rag heads. This is acceptable in California. There is nothing but Zombies out there anyway. I think this will develop into a very interesting drama. Who will eventually win California ? The rag heads or the greasers ?

  • Rich

    This does not surprise me a bit. The ACLU needs run out of OUR country along with obama and the camel jockeys and illegals.
    America’s
    Clueless
    Liberal
    Unit

    • daves

      Is that your answer for anyone that disagrees with you? It is totally un-American.

    • OAHS

      You are truly a moron … do you really believe the crap that you say? Go to the Middle East and see how much they love you …

    • Dean

      Dave, knock off the crap. Are you one of these facist lawyers from the ACLU?

    • daves

      Sorry but I cannot abide by Americans against freedom of speech and opposing views. That “leave the country” comment is ridiculous.

  • http://patriotupdate.com Tracie

    OKAY then, EVERYTIME a muslim kid leaves to say their ‘prayers’ a Christian student should do the SAME thing…when the teacher says something, the Christian student should tell the teacher he/she’s just exercising their Freedom OF Religion…let’s see what happens. Equal time…that’s what the libs are ALWAYS clammering about, RIGHT?

  • Roy

    Now we see just who the ACLU is and why they hate America, a Christian nation. Looks like they must be Islamic owned. These are the most brutal people on earth today and America is asleep.

    • Olesarge

      If you do a little research on Baldwin, who founded the ACLU, you will get a greater insight on the organization he founded.

  • ARMYOF69

    There are currently more mosques in the USA , than the total around the world. That should shit scare all of us , but most are asleep or watching the ball game.

    • ARMYOF69

      More MODERATION needed it seems , because I mentioned mosques.

    • marge

      It seems like building those beautiful dome buildings is the norm to do anymore–They are not needed and to keep peace get a pig or pen of pigs and place them at the building site or
      get some blood from a pig and spread it over the area and a peaceful end by not firing a shot.This is the AMERICAN way of stopping all this mess.GOD BLESS THE USA

    • Olesarge

      I would bet that most of those help make up the 50% plus who don’t vote.

  • Cklotz

    It is unfortunate that the ACLU is prejudice against Christians. It is very obvious that they support the Muslim religion over Christianity. This group should be called The Muslim Foundation because that essentially is their agenda. Well, ACLU you can’t stop Christians from praying no matter what you do. I will pray where I want to pray. Nobody has to hear me but you bet I will be praying! You CAN’T take God out of America!

    • rulken

      All the airports should have Christian prayer rooms as well, and stop discriminating against Christians!

  • Norman A. Schlosser

    The ACLU has it ALL wrong!!! I think that it is time that we considered the ACLU an enemy of the State (U.S.)!!! George Washington said that WE were founded on two GREAT pillers-Faith and Morality. When these two pillers crumble, so does this Country. I think that is long past time for us to get the ACLU and the UN out of the U.S.of A.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    Abject hypocrisy, but not really new. Remember when Obama hosted an event at the WH to mark the beginning of Ramadan? Somehow I don’t recall the ACLU going into a frenzy about “separation of church and state” with that one either. In this situation though, the response would seem simple enough: Christian kids should go to their knees and pray every time the Muslims do.

  • Shavis

    Liberal thinking is an oxymoron!

  • Dean

    Let them do their prayers during the day but have them leave the campus, which means totally off the school grounds. Otherwiae every religion gets to pray in the school. ACLU, the majority of the american people are sick and tired of your CRAP. And if Obama needs to pray he can come and join the muslim students at this school.

  • buddha12

    I think the ACLU, along with their union gang buddy Jimmy Hoffa jr, should be deemed as excess baggage and dealt with appropriately. Who really needs either of them? That’s right, the bleeding heart liberals need them for a group hug occasionally.

  • Kevin

    The establishment clause of the US Constitution simply states that the Government cannot establish a religion and force people to adhere to it (as was done in England by King Henry VIII). That is precisely what the Muslim’s want. Islam is a religion of conquest which encourages converting “non-believers” or, in the alternative, murdering them. This is the step which Muslims want to establish Islam as the religion of the United states. We must fight this clandestine attempt to take over this nation. Deport all Muslims and send them back to their countries which are stuck in the 14th Century. It is where they belong. The United States, as Isreal, belong to a loving JudeoChristian God, not a Muslim God who demands its followers commit murder.

    • Jerry M

      Allah and Islam are fake. Run a “Bing” search and you will see for yourself.

  • Linda

    Why do people put up with this crap?? I don’t have kids in school, but I’m sure if I did, I’d be giving the Freak’n ACLU a run for their money. I would have got my kids out of that school so fast it would make their heads spin. Screw them!!!! If the school wants to appease these idiots, then I’d take my kid out.

  • ARMYOF69

    islam….is NOT a religion…..it’s a lifestyle created by a murderous, homosexual, pedophile for the muslim men to enslave their women and murder as many non muslims as possible.
    IS THAT A RELIGION?

    • ARMYOF69

      More moderation it seems is necessary. Perhaps it’s because I do not capitalize the words, muslim, islam?

  • Rambo RVN

    The F*****G ACLU needs to be kicked out of the USA and sent to the middle east with the rest of those B******S!!!

  • Ralph

    And the discrimination against Christians and Jews continues unopposed!

  • http://InternetExplorer Barry L. Cunningham

    I think it is time to bring out the tar and feathers and visit the ACLU. I am sick and tired of their anti-American activities. It is time for them to close shop or be driven from these shores.

  • Werner

    The ACLU should have been banned a long time ago. They are a major contributor to the downfall of America as we used to know it, when morals and Christian principles was the cornerstone of this great country’s success.And people wonder why this country is in the shape it is in. Earthquakes in Washington, economy in worst shape ever, California in tatters, and they are the most liberal of states. Anybody see the connection? Ban the ACLU or we are doomed.

  • http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref9816902 V. Anthony D’anjou

    Seeing as how the Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion tells Muslims to Kill NON-Muslims there should be NO Muslim prayer in any Schools in the United States of America. ACLU is Crazy and Stupid in which either they are Muslims themselves or ACLU is simply supporting the Muslims that want to Kill the ACLU. I am 100% Against this ACLU.

    • daves

      Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 )

    • rulken

      Try this on for size; Why do we allow any group, and/or religion, that wants to kill our Christian, or other non-muslim children, in our schools!?

    • http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref9816902 V. Anthony D’anjou

      rulken you said it Muslims should NOT even be allow to go to our Public Schools or Mid-School, Junior High School or High School and I would even school College because Muslims want to Proselytize to our children in schools then Enslave us under Sharia Law a.k.a. Shariah Law.

    • http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref9816902 V. Anthony D’anjou

      When I said “even school College” that was an error what I meant to say is “even say College”. So the word should be say NOT school.

    • daves

      Sounds like you want Congress to make a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Do you think our nations founders got it wrong in the bill of rights?

    • http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref9816902 V. Anthony D’anjou

      daves the United States of America’s Bill of Rights, Amendments and Constitution which is a Judeo-Christian Democracy base on the Holy Bible and our Founding Fathers does NOT apply to the Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion!!

      Why? Because the Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion tells Muslims to DESTROY the United States of America’s Bill of Rights, Amendments and Constitution which is a Judeo-Christian Democracy base on the Holy Bible and our Founding Fathers.

      daves when it comes to the Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion Congress MUST make a Law Prohibiting the Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion to be in the United States of America. Our nations founders got it RIGHT in the Bill of Rights but Muslims want to DESTROY the Bill of Rights so it does NOT apply to Quran/Koran a.k.a. Al-Quran which is Islam the Muslims’ so called religion.

  • Johnny

    The aclu is a bunch of greedy bastards that want to ruin this country and have been for years. Shooting them all would not be worth the ammo it would take so I’m open to suggestions…Maybe we could ship them, with their muslime friends out to the middle of the desert for some prayer time, a couple of years at a time maybe.

  • http://aol.com Army75

    Islam is not a religion,it is a Islamic nation.And the agenda is to rule the world,they have three groups.The so called moderate to bring the agenda in peaceful and then they have the Islamic army to force its agenda and of course the finance from taxis.Just like all nations.And of course with the help of the ACLU ,anti cristian liberty union.Is this also the agenda for others besides them??????Right now i think the are consolidating all islamic ,thats why they all are fighting eachother to find out who is the strongist to lead and all that are killed is in the name of thier government controled allah.A new world order under the surahs laws.And allah denies the Sonship of GOD,AS America which is the Holy Spirit,I cant understand why people are so brain dead.Better study who the are and what it stands for,Its not Americas way of life.

  • liferays

    According to the oath I took swearing into the US Air National Guard years ago, we are to fight the enemies of this country here and abroad. I’d say this includes the ACLU and the muslim religion trying to take over this land. Obama is a fraudulent president with an agenda to ruin America. Open your eyes people. This country will not survive the working class supporting the non-working for long. We have to go back to basics where everyone supports their own families even if it means people moving in with you.

  • Greg Wilson

    Do you not know the “Pledge of Allegiance”? ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Who do you think you are to tell me “KEENAN” Kevin type. That by Law it is required for this to happen? My GOD does not tell me when to pray, I feel it, sometimes I’m “A LITTLE BUSY” dealing with a few of your buddies. (Ones you have never meet or are actively promoting what they feel is the law of the world) Well I have and am still doing so. I know my GOD understands that when I am finished looking after my brothers and sisters in arms, and Defended what once was a GOD fearing Nation, I can take a moment and give thanks for all my blessings. GOD, COUNTRY and CORPS.

  • Joyce

    why are we letting the alcu make decisions?They are not representing the american people of the United States of America!

  • Jerry M

    I did some research on the Muslim god, Allah, and how Islam came to be. These are my findings from a “Bing” search:
    Allah was a Chief idol in pagan Arabia along with many other pagan idols that never lived. Muhammad, in order to get control of the people, banned all others Idols and gods except Allah. He then set Allah up to be the supreme god. This brought the people together and under his control. . Islam started with “made up” laws from Muhammad and through history, each leader added their own laws, when needed, to keep control of the people. Islam was started with idol worship and then distorted by Muslim leaders to meet their own needs.
    Islam is a fake Religion just as Allah is a fake
    Islam is only a CULT!
    According to God, the Holy Bible and Christianity, it is forbidden to worship any other gods or idols, as it should be.
    The only path to Heaven is though Jesus Christ

  • http://aol.com Claude

    Wake up people Islam wants America,And so do other people within high positions,under surahs laws.Like the( ACLU)Anti cristian liberty union which is helping them succeed.
    Just remember allah does not believe in the HOLY SPIRIT JESUS CHRIST as American people do,So if we are a christian according to the HOLY Bible this would be the works of antichrist.The book of John its written ,Whoever does not believe in the SON of GOD is the deciever.

    • daves

      The ACLU has fought many battles to protect Christian’s right to worship. They are pro constitution and pro America.

    • Daniel from TN

      How you read the ACLU’s original mission statement? I have. Part of their mission statement is “To remove the Judeo-Christian influence from American Law and Culture.” Check it for yourself. PLEASE.

    • daves

      Do you have a link?

      The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a U.S. non-profit organization whose stated mission is “to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States.”

    • Slick Willy

      …and they don’t do what they say they will or we wouldn’t be having this discussion with you.

    • Jeff

      How brain dead are you? You sound like one of those libs who think we did 9/11 to ourselves.

    • Ron

      Name just one battle they have fought to protect Christian’s right to worship. Just one!

    • Edwin

      ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted “free speech zones.” After receiving the ACLU’s letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.

    • Edwin

      ACLU of Eastern Missouri (2007) represented Shirley L. Phelps-Roper, a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, whose religious beliefs led her to condemn homosexuality as a sin and insist that God is punishing the United States. The protests in which she has been involved have been confrontational and have involved funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. While the ACLU does not endorse her message, it does believe that she has both religious and free-speech rights to express her viewpoint criticizing homosexuality.

    • daves

      christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/may/22.64.html

    • Justsomedude
    • IAmAProudAmerican

      I have Never heard of them ever supporting anything like that.

    • http://facebook ronald yurchak

      What Freakin book have you been reading from? or have you been smoking some funny stuff?.

    • Dodi

      BS, the ACLU doesn’t give a damn about Christians, America or the Constitution. There isn’t anywhere in the Constititution that says anything about separation of church and state. Yet if one person bitches about prayer at a sports event or graduation, fits are thrown and they try and usually suceed in stopping it. I don’t see the ACLU standing up for the right for us to pray where ever, whenever I want to.

    • mark

      your an idiot, or just don’t understand they’re mission, either way you need to shut it up and lock yourself bank in your closet.

    • KJG

      daves: ok, let’s see; over 50 rebukes to your comment. Seems it a good idea to do some in depth homework and see if you can un wash the part of your brain the ACLU seems to have shamboozeld..

    • KJG

      daves: ok, let’s see; over 50 rebukes to your comment. Seems it a good idea to do some in depth homework and see if you can un wash the part of your brain the ACLU seems to have shamboozeld.

    • AnAmvet

      no the aclu is not pro-american and christian. they are living in lala land.

    • muslims at war with freedom….

      daves,meth makes you nuts and you are a prime example. the aclu is anti Christian and they will not fight for anything Christian. They will fight against Christians and any Christian movement. The aclu will fight the the scum muslims who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11. The aclu is a socialist commie racist group like the naacp and the congressional black caucus and the kkk. wake up man.

    • Slick Willy

      …in what alternate universe did this take place in and if it did(not)who got fired for F***ING IT UP and the ACLU’s “spotless” record?

    • http://patriotupdate Betsyross

      The ACLU, wants to destroy our religious liberty, and by in large, has succeeded,while mantaining POWER, so they can destroy all our God given individual freedoms. (simply stated if their is no God how can we claim that our rights to liberty come from Him.)

      These communist (REDS) statis or whatever else one calls them, are going to use the Muslim (helpful idiots) to sieze complete Power, (through violence) that has been their plan from day one.
      That is how Maxists/Nazis etc. work.

      They took over our educaitonal system to make immoral dupes of the students who attend these institution.

      Number 1, task for them was to introduce, depravity into education. They did this by promising freedom of thought, no restraint, no respect, no decorum, no manners,no silence, CHAOS in the classroom, ha, ha, They planned: through indocturnation of Godless principles. Me first, and anything goes. Drugs, sex, promoscuity,and all other deveant behaviors allowable, we will destroy the society from within.

      If our children are screwing each other from the early ages of 9 & 12. taking drugs, and can’t learn. Because their minds have been destroyed.
      Well, then succeeded and have already destoryed moral foundation of that society.
      They have impliment the “Brave New World”
      and the society who elected bo was instructed in this immoral view of life.
      Situation Ethics, they called it, but it should have been called by it’s correct title: Depravity 101.

      Betsy

    • mark

      well said, and I believe it to be true.

    • Apache6

      It’s time for the 4th CRUSADES,JESUS is NOT a pacifist,and neither am I,WE need to stand up in DEFENSE of our LORD.MY bullets are dipped in PIGS BLOOD!!!

    • muslims at war with freedom….

      aclu(anti Christs losers union) is anti American and we should disban them now.

  • Patriot41

    If we are to support our Constitution as written, then freedom of religion applies for all who are citizens of this nation. The framers of our Constitution did not want a theocratic dictatorship and therefore prohibited our govt., from establishing a religion. They did not provide for a separation of Church and State, but on the other hand, did not clearly state their objection to such a division. If one reads the federalist papers, one will clearly see the many opposing discussion of this very issue.

    The wisdom of our forefathers is clearly visible as they addressed the many problems that they knew would occur involving religious beliefs and that of non believers. Objections from religious and non believer groups back during the time of the framing of our constitution, were just as prevalent as they are today.

    My whole point of this comment is, that if we are truly a free country, then the laws of the land must apply to all citizens whether believers or not. However, there must be equality in those laws and they must be applied equally in all situations. This has not been the case in the last quarter century, in this country. The federal govt., has in fact, turned against the christian religion and is trying to forcefully abrogate it’s influence with the citizens of this country.

    The citizens of this country will have to make up their minds as to what type of religious freedom they want and will have to vote for representatives that will fight for their spiritual rights. Until they do, we can expect much more of the same.

    • daves

      I completely agree with your post right up until you say that the Government has turned against the Christian religion. I do not see any evidence of this.

    • muslims at war with freedom….

      daves,your muslim scum camel wants to reproduce,can you help her. you socialist commie scum muslim backside kissing democrat.

    • Archie

      Patriot you are correct in that there should be equality for all in laws. If the muslim children are allowed to pray in school then so should the christian children. Parents???

    • Greg Wilson

      Patriot41,
      Thank you for putting this so eloquently, America is even, fair, and tolerant, UNTIL you want to change our Constitution that America”s Original Hero”S offered up.

    • Pointdan

      Very nice comment. Unfortunately the citizens of this country will not decide what type of religous freedom they want since, in Nov, 2008, 53% of our citizens voted to put a marxist in the White House. Obama is flooding the Federal bench with leftist ACLU types-all lifetime appointments.
      It may take 30 years to undo this damage.

    • Tanya Clayton

      And just how many has he managed to appoint by way of “flooding the bench”?

  • Jerry M

    Texas has done the one thing that will stop ACLU dead in their tracks and that’s to change the civil court system to “Loser Pays” all cost for both sides.
    ACLU is not challenged because states don’t have funds to fight them so they don’t. If they are challenged they won’t win and will have to pay all cost. It won’t take long for ACLU to be just another failed attempt at destroying our country.
    CHANGE THE CIVIL COURT SYSTEM IN ALL STATES

    • patriotrenegade

      The founder of the aclu was also a founder of the American communist party. It’s time to outlaw that GD, effen “religion” and destroy all remnants of it.

    • daves

      No, Roger Baldwin was not a communist. Like many of his contemporaries, he observed and wrote about the social and political issues in the early years of the Soviet Union, but later he wrote, “The Nazi-Soviet pact of 1939, a traumatic shock to me, ended any ambivalence I had about the Soviet Union, and all cooperation with Communists in united fronts.”

      Throughout the organization’s history and particularly during the McCarthy era, the ACLU, its members, staff and founders have been accused of being communists. The ACLU has no political affiliations and makes no test of individuals’ ideological leanings a condition of membership or employment. Members and staff of the national ACLU and its affiliates may be Republicans, Democrats, Communists, Federalists, Libertarians, or members of any other political party or no party at all. What the ACLU asks of its staff and officials is that they consistently defend civil liberties and the Constitution.

    • Will

      The ACLU is a super left learning if not some form of a Marxist conspiracy. They do not represent most Americans and our ideals and traditions and they do not understand that there are elements within that do not like America, as we know it, and are out there to destroy our political, economic and religious freedoms. It’s a sorry group of radicals!

    • daves

      What have they done to make you think that.

    • Allan

      You copied every word from the ACLU website. Do you ever think for yourself?

    • daves

      At least I thought to look up the truth instead of spouting Glenn Beck propaganda.

    • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

      Going in circles daves. Are you “for” or “against” banning pray in public schools?

      Ten million, 20 million, 30 million, 40 million… Hello Sharia flag, for English please press 2!

      http://www.reformdc.com
      P.S. Did you vote this week at “you cut”? http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

    • mark

      Of course he got it from the aclu site, he believes he lies they write, on the other hand everything I’ve heard Glen Beck talk about, I’ve checked it out myself and found nothing to be untrue.

    • mark

      If the ACLU is so great, why is it every time I turn around they’re stepping on our rights to be Christian and prayer?

    • Tanya Clayton

      Would you share that one “truth” that Glenn Beck told that you checked out and found it true? I have not found one yet!

  • J.M.R.

    2 WORDS FOR THE ACLU AND IT DAMN SURE ISN’T MERRY CHRISTMAS

  • Marc Jeric

    Let us remember that from 1920 to 1937 the ACLU was the official legal arm of the Communist Party USA. In that year they separated to hide their identity in front of courts – so they could defend communist revolutionaries as an “impartial” party in legal proceedings. Those 26 ACLU lawyers who defended the Gitmo terrorists are now working in the AG Holder’s office; they secretely photographed CIA interrogators and passed those photos to the jihadis outside, so they could kill their families.

    • daves

      Where do you get this from?

    • daves

      No – I mean really??? You say these things like they are true. Where do they come from?

    • http://pjtv.com skip gainer

      Just do a little research on your own, and you will see who started the ACLU. While your at it find me anywhere in our Constitution where it says there is separation between church and state concerning GOD. You can not because it does not exist. Daves you have been lied to for so long you just except the lie. May GOD Bless you and yours!

    • daves

      Skip – I have done my research and I did not find any link between the ACLU and the Communist Party. That is why I have asked.

    • D. Hanes

      Obviously the still are and Obama is just A -Ok with that. bloody communist himself!

  • http://aol.com Claude

    What I wrote in my massage is stated in the Koran for part one,and part two is in the Holy Bible,Is that so called hatred.I dont thik so.If you dont like the truth then something is very wrong

  • Russell Smith USMC VET RVN

    Everybody prays or no one prays, no exceptions. The ACLU seems to be a racists organization in backing muslim prayer and no one else’s prayer. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS THE MARINE CORPS

    • Fedup

      Aganist all enemies foreign and domestic. Lest we forget.

  • quakedad

    If you vote a crazy muslim lunatic into office, what else do you think will happen?
    Nothing good, that’s for sure.
    Funny how people now say, ” I didn’t vote for him”.We know who they are.

    • Fedup

      You can put lipstick on a Trojan Horse, but it is Still a Trojan Horse.

  • http://aol.com Claude

    Moderation is not free speech;20 yrs in the Army and i guess it was all in vain,I just wonder if i would do it over the way things are,just dont know

    • PHIL

      CLAUDE.
      AS A 20yr RETIREE USN. I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOU FEELINGS OF ANGER & FRUSTRATION..I HAVE THE SAME DOUBTS AS YOU. AND TO HAVE THAT MUSLIM-IN-CHIEF SAY THANKS TO THE MILITARY SICKENS ME.
      I DID NOT TAKE AN OATH TO DEFEND A SOCIALIST REPUBLIC!!!

    • njgirl

      He’s only thanking the military for helping him to usher in a one world govt. I wish those in the military would wake up to this. They are risking their lives while fighting for their own enslavement and the enslavement of every other American citizen. Do any of them know how Henry Kissinger views military men? To quote the fat oaf: “Military men are just dumb animals to be used as pawns in foreign affairs”. Taken from the book: “Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its POW’s in Vietnam”.

  • Jennifer

    What I am hearing from these posts are everyone is appalled as am I that the ACLU has the gall to allow this to happen….what is everyone waiting for. If you want to be able to pray, talk, drill for oil, whatever you are so inclined to do …JUST DO IT…really what is stopping this nation from taking back the standard this country was founded on. Are we afraid we will get sued…so SUE ME…the courts and jails would be overrun with honest people just trying to survive this craziness.I am not saying we should ignore the Rule of Law…”but who’s Laws…OBAMA????? That is a joke….I guess it sounds like anarchy, I do not profess anarchy but really in each of our communities there has to be a way of showing we will not be run over by this distainful government….are we sheep.

  • Sergio Sr.

    Yes, that’s why there is a hell. AMERICA-One Nation under GOD…Amen

  • http://aol.com Claude

    Ride on RUSSELL,Tell it like it should be ,I also was in Nam 65-66,71-72,welcome back.

  • Hal Daniels

    OK ACLU. Just so you realize you’re opening Pandora’s Box. The lawsuits by Christians will start and when it gets to the Supreme Court it will no doubt be adjudicated that prayer in public schools for Christians must be permitted again too !!

  • catman

    AS I see it, there isn’t one politico that has enough cajones to challenge the aclu. Every damn democrat would line up behind these communists and swear they are only trying make things “fair” for everyone. HOGWASH! What they are trying to do, and as it stands now they are succeeding is to drive this country under and make it a fascist/ communistic/ islamic country. If it weren’t so damn illegal, I would personally destroy their offices and hope to God there were a few of them inside when I did it!

  • http://aol.com Claude

    PHIL I also say Ride on ,and welcome back.

  • Jerry F.

    What a of bull,their prayer is a pillar of their religion and mines not.Their prayer is a basic law,and my prayer is not.ACLU needs to be taken to the courts make them prove this.The first Presidential canidate that says they will fight the ACLU every time thet say lawsuit,thats the person I will vote for.Everytime the ACLU says lawsuit we crawl back in our corner.Idon’t care if we loose a case or two,ww need to stand up to them.

    • Betty S

      Then Rick Perry is your man. He and Texas instituted the Loser Pay provision to their civil court system. This will stop the ACLU cold if implimented in all 50 states … or is it 57?

  • http://Yahoo John Whittington

    Hey A.C.L.U., what’s wrong with my religion?

  • Terry

    If we don’t vote that muslim out of office we are in for a lot more surprises .After what happen on 9/11 it’s hard to believe this country elected a president with an Islam name.

  • Dave

    This will go to court and will be disapproved by the first judge to hear it. Clearly unconstitutional and discriminatory. End of Muslim prayer in high schools.

    • njgirl

      I wouldn’t bet on that. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. Money and power talk, bullsh#t walks.

  • June

    Remember, they are in America now. Muslims do not need any extra special times for them to pray. Enough is enough. If they don’t like it , they can go back to the hole they crawled out of.

  • Brenda Choate

    Since the ACLU fought so long and hard to get prayer and other religious symbols out of the public view, it is interesting that they are taking on this issue. Let the Muslim students have their prayer, but also all other student MUST also that thime to have their own public prayers. You can’t have it both ways.

    • daves

      Both issues protect the religious freedom of us all by keeping the Government out of it. The Government cannot tell us to pray and they cannot stop us from praying. The ACLU’s position is very consistent.

  • http://aol bluecb13

    Would make for a great lawsuit for Christianity

  • http://aol.com Claude

    Its ashame that our fighting men are is wars located in Islamic nations some with lost of arm or legs,and some which died.And at the same time like the UCLA wants to take away our freedoms.I wonder when this President states thank you to them they fault for freedom or because the lost parts of the body which will not grow back and that will keep them for fighting for freedom when third world war breaks out,I sure have mixed emotions when he states thanks.MAY GOD FORBID.Now aclu wants to give muslims freedom over them.IT STINKS I know who the skunk is.GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY.

    • daves

      What freedoms has the ACLU taken away? They protect our freedom.

    • Byron

      protected our Freedoms? Seems pretty clear from this article that they are protecting Moslems right to pray in school all the while suing when Christians wish to pray in SCHOOL.

    • mark

      you must be dumb, they are always taking God from everything,try reading some truth and get away from aclu lies

    • daves

      They take God from the Government. I wish everyone could see how that protects our religious freedoms.

  • http://aol.com Claude

    I ment to say fought

  • http://J-Say Jerry Saylor

    Since prayer has been taken out of schools it has been an anything goes situation. Without the influence of Christ there is the influence of evil. The ACLU has an agenda, do all it can to stop Christian influence.

  • http://aol.com Claude

    I didnt mean to leave out our fighting wemen,GOD BLESS

  • CarolynH

    If they allow muslims to pray, then Christians should be able to pray as well. If we cannot, then they should not be able to.

  • THE G MAN

    WE NEED TO DISBAND THE ACLU / IT’S A DISGRACE TO THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE

    • daves

      Are you opposed to their right to free speech and to petition the Government?

      That would be very un-American.

  • Alice Stevens

    They want this to be a Muslim nation,
    and it is fast becoming one, because
    we have communists in Washington that
    would love to destroy this Country.
    As Nikita khrushchev said:
    We will get you from within”

  • Ruby Smith

    When I was in school, we started every day by saying the Pledge of Allegence and The Lord’s Prayer. Many of us did not go to church every Sunday but there was less crime, no fights on school property, clean language, no guns, respect for authority – parents, teachers, police, etc. and most of us were poor. I got to eat meat once a week.

  • http://aol.com Claude

    The aclu states that the reason why muslim should be allowed to pray in school is thier koran requiers this,Well our HOLY BIBLE also states this to be given.Read PSALM 55:v17 Evening,and morning and at noon,I will pray,and cry aloud;and he shall hear my voice. So you see we Cristians have the same rights and also should be able for our children to pray in schools.

    • daves

      Did someone tell your kids that they couldn’t pray in school?

    • Jeff

      Yes. The ACLU.

    • Ron

      YES! The Supreme Court did back in the 1960′s thanks to a lawsuit brought by the ACLU!

    • daves

      The courts have determined that school sponsored prayer is unconstitutional but not prayer.

    • Byron

      Then this is Unconstitutional. If the school sets aside specific times for them to “Pray” then it school sponsored Prayer.

    • daves

      If you are correct Byron then this will be found unconstitutional.

    • mark

      yes, my child prays before she starts eating her lunch and the assistant principal told her it wasn’t the right place for her to do that, of course I had words with the ass principal and she still prays before she eats.

    • daves

      That’s just a silly principle.

  • Ruby Smith

    What I meant to say was that pledge and that prayer made an impact on all of us. It made us better people. And it is my understanding that the Koran says it’s O.K. for muslims to lie to “infidels” (thats us) to get what they want. I believe the creep in the White House has done that.

  • Jan

    I contribute monthly to the ADF so they can keep fighting the ACLU. Go to http://www.telladf.org They are standing up for the american values each of you say is so important. Put your money where your mouth is!

  • BobinPa.

    Jerry M. from Texas has the right idea. “hange the Civil Court System in ALL States”. Make it “Loser Pays all Court Costs”. Screw all these Law School Graduates who have turned the Law into a money making proposition for themselves. Everything from Frivolous Lawsuits to Appeals concerning the Death Penalty that go on and on making sure of Payouts to the Murderers defense counsel.”For those of us who fought for it, “Freedom and Justice” has a flavor that those who haven’t will never know”. Lets get it RIGHT. “Semper Fi”.

  • Bill

    The article seems incomplete. Surely they are no talking about school lead prayer. Independent prayer is always allowed. I see no reason not to set aside a place/time for any student who wishes to pray to go off and do so. Regardless of faith.

    As long as it is not manditory that others participate or be there and is not led by the faculty.

  • Jill

    The ACLU is being incredibly hypocritical in this instance. I’m perfectly fine with prayer in school, as long as EVERYONE is allowed to pray in school, regardless of faith, or lack thereof. I’m getting really sick of liberal groups championing a cause, and calling everyone that doesn’t agree with them “racist” or “intolerant”. I don’t happen to be Christian, or Muslim, but I believe that spirituality is very important to millions of people in this country, and the ACLU should know that they’re going to make a good portion of those people angry by singling out a specific group and saying that they have more of a right to pray than any other group. The ACLU is simply being ridiculous, and someone should really shut them down.

  • http://www.americagonestupid.com nvrpc

    To He-ll with the muslims. The ACLU, UN and the Blank Panthers are all anti-american communist organization who goal is to destory america from within. These terrorist organztions and their faclities needs to be burned to the ground and all associate deported from US soil by tonight. These are only a few of the communist organizetions and people we have in America

    • Gisela

      I think it is our fault for even letting them come out of the woodwork.they are nothing and shouldn’t have any rights.It is our Muslim up there in the white house who needs the protection of the panthers because he is a coward.as for the muslims here frankly I don’t know what they want here if they don’t want to live like we do so they can stick their a@@@ gen mekka all they want they are not welcome here.

  • scout

    If it goes un challenged, it will be the law. So sit back and do nothing and enjoy the “End Result”.Or shut up.

  • http://none Spoony

    Prayer is a private matter. You can pray driving down the street or doing your grocery shopping or sitting on the toilet, your closet, anywhere you want and no body knows what you’re doing because it’s done in your mind not what posture you’re in or where you are.

  • Buck

    The ACLU communist front will do ANYTHING to destroy America and have been doing it by turning the constitution on its head for so long I fail to see why nobody ( especially judges ) have failed to pick up on it . I can only assume that these people are extraodinarily ignorant or communists themselves .

  • http://ThePatriotUpdate Karin

    What do we expect ,look who is in the white house, but hopefully not to much longer

  • Larry

    The ACLU has so many Judges in there pockets that they will be able to have the Muslim slim do as they wish but if it is a Christian function they will still not be allowed to do anything in public and the ACLU will continue to fight to stop anything Christian. This is allowed by these SOB Judges that are unable to see through the smoke screen from the ACLU and to many of the Judges are Socialist and on the fence Communist in there belief’s. This should be enough to show the world that the ACLU is a Terrorist Organization and they weaken the United States with there words and actions instead of physical harm. This group should be placed on the list of Terrorist Organizations.

  • http://aol.com Claude

    The best way to answer Daves is void the reply.Nuts sooner or later fall from the trees.

    • daves

      :)

  • shortitalian

    The Dumocrats put the idiot Muslim in the White House and I know he is jumping up and down because the ACLU is agreeing with the Muslims.If they don’t like our God,let them all go back to their own country and take Obama with them.Oh,and take the heathens in the ACLU with them.

  • http://pjtv.com skip gainer

    islam is starting to feel and act like obamacare. Our muslim president is trying to shove it down our throats. I believe in freedom of religion, but islam with sharia law is not a religion but it is government hiding behind a lie!

    • daves

      The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a leading Muslim civil rights organization, occupies one floor of a red-brick office building on Capitol Hill. Visitors must use an elevator pass code to reach the suite, the only one in a building of tenants that is secured against attack.

      On the wall of its conference room hangs a framed front page of a newspaper showing a U.S. president, standing shoeless in a mosque and reaching out in dramatic fashion to Muslim Americans.

      It’s not Barack Obama, who pledged early in his presidency to combat negative stereotypes of Islam “wherever they appear.”

      The clipping depicts George W. Bush. Within a week of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Bush visited the Islamic Center of Washington to remind an angry and frightened nation that “the face of terror is not the true faith of Islam.”

      “That was huge,” said Nihad Awad, CAIR’s executive director, who accompanied Bush on his visit. “His statement and his visit made a big impact at home and in the world.”

      zionica.com/2011/09/07/obamas-outreach-toward-muslims-is-limited-at-home/

  • Ron Powell

    Hey DAVES, Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, stated, “Our goal is communism.” That is the last part of a direct quote from Baldwin. That is why all aspects of American life have been subverted by groups like ACLU, using our basic freedoms to accomplish their mission of destroying this country in the name of the often-always failed communist doctrine. The ACLU should be shipped to China in crates.

    • daves

      Do you have a link for that?

      I did a search and I found this document:

      KLEHR, HARVEY. Harvey Klehr papers, 1901-1977

      It mentions Roger Baldwin and it has the quote Communism is our goal but it doesn’t tie the two together.

  • Dave

    Isaiah the prophet said (I’m paraphrasing), Woe until them that say evil is good and good is evil… The human heart at its core is either in tune with heaven or in tune with hell and the person’s speech and actions then flow from what is in their heart (as Jesus said). The fact that the ACLunatics automatically choose Islam over Christianity is a product of the darkness in their hearts and speaks for itself from whence they come. Unfortuneately they cannot help themselves.

  • http://patriotupdate.com Raymond

    What has America become?

    Has America become the land of special interest and home of the
    double standard? Let’s see: If we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony
    and if Congress lies to us it’s just politics. If we dislike a black person,
    we’re a racist and if a black dislikes whites, it’s their 1st Amendment
    right. The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and
    they do almost nothing for the victims. In public schools you can teach
    that homosexuality and lesbianism is ok, but you better not use the
    word God in the process. You can murder a child in the mothers womb,
    but it’s wrong to execute a mass murderer. We don’t burn books in
    America, we now rewrite them. We got rid of the communist & socialist
    threat by renaming them progressives. If you protest against Obama’s
    policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burn an American flag or George
    Bush in effigy, it’s your 1st Amendment right.

    You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not
    put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas. In America,
    criminals are now called sick people. The government takes money
    from those who work hard & gives it to those who are lazy. Parenting
    has been replaced with Ritalin & video games. The land of opportunity
    is now the land of hand outs.

    And how do we handle a major crisis today? The Government
    appoints a committee to determine who’s at fault, then threatens
    them, passes a law, raises our taxes, then tells us the problem is
    solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

  • pollock

    This is a country giving in to muslims and look what it did to European countries.These ragheads want to use their laws and customs even though they want to be US citizens,they want everybody to kiss their asses and I for one refuse to.What is good for me and my religion is good enough for camel jockeys and jocketts.Weshould run the ACLU commies out of this country.

  • John

    Well, I’m with Patton, “Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.” Me and my guns are ready!

  • AnAmvet

    ffffuuuucccckkkk the ACLU.

    • hustler

      Hey AnAmvet you forgot to include the muslims

    • http://Facebook Que Dub

      WHAT THE H3LLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also nobamma prays WITH the moose slums on the Capitol Hill steps!!!! And the moose slums pray in New York streets !!!!!!

    • http://PatriotUpdate rocksolid

      The ACLU main office is Hell.

    • http://PatriotUpdate rocksolid

      Meant to say “IN”hell

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      I wonder why we allow the idiots of the ACLU tell us what we can do as far as praying to OUR GOD THE ONE AND ONLY GOD any where we want?? WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF??? THAT WE WOULD REALLY PRAY FOR OUR GOD TO ZAP THEM? Or is it the truth that they know the other religions are OOOOhhh so fake and they are not afraid of their prayers? Our GOD per Yeshua the Christ that came many years ago and is still with us….is powerful….has anyone prayed to Buhda(SP) to heal a sick person? or Allah to save us from hell if we believe in him to save our souls?? Or to save us from our enemies….to bless us if you will??? I dont know about you but I have prayed to my Father in Heaven and asked for forgiveness and healing from a sickness,for my self and friends and family…..AND I HAVE SEEN THE RESULTS….is this what the aclu is frighten of ?????? Then we should not be afraid of satans imps…The true Bible says we have power over them!!!!! So what are WE afraid of????? IF WE WANT TO PRAY WE CAN DO IT. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT. WE CAN PRAY,,,,WHETHER SILENT OR OUT LOUD……GOD WILL PROTECT US.

    • Jan

      In spades and the whacko muslims as well.

    • Tom Stewart

      When It Sounds Like Socialism, Looks Like Socialism, It Is Obamacare Socialism Run By The ACLU Atheist AFL/CIO With Soros/Trumka Gangster Govt, Move-On Org And NLRB, Yikeess, God Bless America And The Tea Party Patriots With Sarah Palin.

  • Larry Owens

    as long as the common/poor people continue to get food stamps and unemployment pay then the natives will stay calm. That is what the Big Government, Big Taxes has done to our country.

    It will all come crashing down some day, it is sad but true.

    • The Fox

      Larry, That is precisely the intention of the Obama administration. It is to cause as much antagonistic behavior between the citizens of this great country. Marxists call it “DEVIDE AND CONQUER” It’s sad that takers, I mean those who always take but never give, when they fall into the communist trap find themselves under a government dictatorship it doesent look so good anymore. Fight for freedom my fellow Americans!

    • vickiissickofthis

      @The Fox ….. Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen ……………

    • http://AOL.COM FRANCIS

      YOU ARE VERY SMALL MINDED AND IF YOU SOME DAY NEED THE HELP OR YOUR FAMILY THEN YOU WOULD SEE I THINK THE GOVERMNET SHOULD REALLY DO ALOT OF CHECKING BECAUSE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE SREWING IT AND DONT NEED THE HELP LIKE OOTHERS DO AND CANT GET IT. I THINK YOU SHOULD RETHINK YOUR THOUGHTS

    • vickiissickofthis

      Gosh Francis, maybe IF YOU TOOK THE CAPS LOCK OFF, somebody could understand what you said.

    • Willie

      It is just laziness or lack of better judgement. That way they don’t have to think about caps or punctuation. Not to hard to figure out they don’t know how to spell.

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE GROW UP~~

    • percy choate

      she doesn’t need to take off caps , just leave her alone ok .

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      pERCY, a woman named Francis has the E at the end Frances…a man named Francis has the i at the end So therefore I believe our Francis is a male ie man.

    • tom

      I don’t think that will help

    • Sonja

      GOOD GRIEF PEOPLE, GET OFF IT ABOUT THE CAPS. There are many people including seniors that are almost blind etc., stop being such SNOBS & let it alone.

    • Big Ugly, Wyoming

      The sooner, the better.

    • Sonja

      Please exclude the seniors in your comment as many of them, even thou they paid into SS all their lives, they don’t get enough to live on, hence they too get food stamps, which they rightfully deserve.

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      yes that is true and today that is even worse…..This bumbo took the cost of living from the ss people,, maybe it is not alot but it helps with their living…this is the second year going on the third that this is happening…Where is the moneies for that? I feel sorry for those that get ss and only get 200$ or a little more to live on things like food and gas and any thing we use everyday has gone up. SO what has happened to that COLA // and that ba—rd oro-cookie…has the nerve to go on vacations every two weeks of the month at our expense. Now lets watch to see how ‘tired’ he is by working sooooo hard on this damned bill to see how many weeks he will take now this beautiful fall of the year!!!

  • Schnitzelschitzen

    This is an opportunity and a way to put Christian prayer back into our schools and public places simply by using the same arguement that the muslims do. They must not single out the muslims for special treatment or this should definately cause a firestorm in our judicial system and send political shockwaves across America. If it don’t, like the high gas prices, our politicians will feel that we have accepted all and are content and they will take even more from We The People. This mentality is a vice that will squeeze not only the life out of us but also the very soul as well. Make it clear to our politicans that they work for us and many of the unfair laws will then finally be overturned and America will be united once more.

    • http://AOL.COM FRANCIS

      I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU I THINK THE SAME WAY OUR GOVERMENT NEEDS TO GIVE BACK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOT THE FORNIERS OR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HEAR ILLEGALLY THEY NEED TO STEP IT UP AND TAKE CARE OF THE AMERICANS THAT NEED HELP LIKE THEY NEED NOT TO SEND MONEY TO OTHERE COUNTRIES TILL THEY FIX OURS WE HAVE POOR AND HUNGREY AND HOMELESS AND SICK THAT NEEDS HELP MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GIVE THE SMARTS TO OUR GOVERMENT

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      oh FRANCIS I READ YOU LOAD AND CLEAR…AND YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT…..THEY ARE JUST A BUNCH OF DUMBIES THAT HAPPENED TO GET VOTED INTO THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB THERE IS. AND YET ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP THAT JOB……SO THEY DONT HAVE TO REALLY WORK SO IF YOU VOTE VOTE TO GET THEM OUT OF THAT JOB…SHALOM ALECHEM PEACE BE WITH YOU…………..

  • W Smith

    Doesn’t the ACLU get taxpayer funding via the thieves in D.C.? Like Acorn these outfits are a noose about our necks. It is time to let the hot air out of Washington. But beware; the left will position itself to fill any sudden void. Our path resides in those liberty’s now besmirched as negative. If we make it to November 2012 these masters of ill repute must be thrown out with pensions rescinded.

  • David Roberts (busyboots)

    Excellent article, Ann-Marie.

  • http://adrianvance.blogspot.com Adrian Vance

    The ACLU is a Communist organization and should have to register as such. It is just that simple.

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  • bob

    I say let them. As soon as the muslims can do it I’m telling my kid to start reading the bible and pray in school. If they stop him I’m suing for religious prosecution.

    • http://AOL.COM FRANCIS

      AMEN TO THAT WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE CREATED EQUAL NOT SOME CAN DO AND OTHERS CANT WE HAVE TO REALLY BLAME OUR SELFS BECAUSE WE VOTED IN THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIPPING US ALL OFF I THINK ITS TIME WE STEP UP LIKE MARTIAN LUTHER KING DID I WISH HE WAS HERE BECAUSE HED SURE SET THE GOVERMNET STRAIGHT

    • stormy

      Bob.Way to go.All Christians should do the same.

    • Al C.

      The Christians should all start praying at the same time….and I really mean raise your voices and call out to GOD to stop all this insanity…and put America back on track as it once was and always should be.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Ann C

      It’s religious “persecution.” And, you could sue them RIGHT NOW. If you cannot afford legal counsel, contact the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) or the American Defense Fund (an affiliate of the American Family Association).
      This whole thing with the ACLU “allowing” Muslims to pray in our schools is totally illegal and a farce. Anyone with children should sue immediately. Not for money, except compensation for legal counsel, but for the right (which we already have under our Constitution and Bill of Rights) to read our Bible in school, to pray “in Jesus’ name” in school, etc. MAY OUR LORD GUIDE YOU THOROUGHLY THROUGH THE PROCESS!!

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      Oh good for you Bob,,I just hope you do it….and I think those muslims pray like 3 or 4 times a day…hee hee….what a farce…the aclu are bullies and it is time we let them know we are the majority We have the real GOD and HE is the ONE we should honor….aclu knows that let’s not let them get away with it. GOD is on our side.

  • http://CongressmenWest Bev

    I wish there was some way we could get these tyrants out of office. I really believe 2012 will be to late. Everyday something new. By 2012 the thugs will be telling us who we are going to vote for.

    • http://AOL.COM FRANCIS

      LISTEN IF WE LET THEM YES WE ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEED TO GET TOGETER AND PROTEST AND STPOP VOTING FOR THESE PEOPLE MAYBE IF EVERYONE WOULD STOP VOTING THEY MIGHT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THINK WHAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE CONGRESS AND THE SENATE AND ALL THE REST OF THE GOVERMNET OFFICALS GET SLARY WISE AND ALL THE CROOKS THAT STEAL FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS IN GODS NAME

    • Are You Serious

      Please stop the all caps.

    • percy choate

      what’s your problem if you can’t understand caps then don’t read them

    • Catherine Wood

      It’s not just the ALL CAPS. It’s the complete lack of punctuation. No comma. No period. Just paragraph length run-on sentences. It’s lazy.

    • KM

      Percy, It is not that we don’t understand. Putting all of your message in one’s repy in ALL CAPS is like shouting. there is a protocol. Some sites specifcally say not to put your reply in all caps. Also if there is a particular point you want to emphasize, it gets lost when every letter is capitalized.
      Do you like to be shouted at in conversation?

    • Ann C

      Our vote is priceless. We do not stop voting. We tell Congress that, if they do not listen to we-the-people, we’ll give them early retirement via our votes.

    • Big Ugly, Wyoming

      I am beginning to believe that the only way to save what’s left of our once great nation is through force of arms.

    • 820 RED HORSE

      You ain’t the only one!!

    • TEXMEXINNV

      Second that, lock and load, keep them clean and your powder dry.

    • Sonja

      Like the “black panthers” at the voting polls, lmao, guess when we go to vote we need to be armed for our protection.

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      My dear it is never toooo late….dont forget that. if you do you have given in.

  • Justsomedude

    The ACLU fights for the constitution

    http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com

  • http://www.americagonestupid.com nvrpc

    The ACLU, UN and the Black Panthers are nothing more than domestic terrorist organization of which need to be removed from US soil and all of their folowers deported or executed. They’re buildings should be blown up and everything they represent abolished once anf forever.

  • seabee combat vet

    The day of reckoning is fast approaching!!

    • vickiissickofthis

      Even so, come quickly Lord.

    • Are You Serious

      Amen to that!!

  • http://charter.net susan

    I think it’s about time the people in our country take a stand get rid of the ALCU the un and half the other things in this country that are taking our freedom away. let him put his prayer rag down in front of me and i’ll walk over it.

  • mary

    The Aclu has toooooo much to say what can or can’t be done. If the Muslims have more rights than Christians what does that tell you. Tell them to leave the good old USA and tell the middle easterners what to do. It seems they are in to controling the world, which will never happen.

  • Bob

    It won’t happen why odumbo is in control but when the next Republican president and the senate transfers to the conservatives we need to take out the aclu and all the other socialist-commie groups in America. And for those who fly any other flag than the American flag over a school or other government building should be charged with treason, this is not mexico, saudi arabia or any place else. If thats the flag you support go there.

    • Willie

      Hey Bob, You will like this one I am sure. Really, you should check it out. Click the little arrow on the bottom left of the player. http://reportthetruth.com/reno.htm That is a perfect example of what you speak of.

    • Sonja

      Did you hear the lastest??? NO SAYING THE “PLEDGE OF ALLIGANCE” IN SCHOOLS IS WHAT THEY WANT NOW. OUTRAGEOUS.

  • Thomas Beckett

    The ACLU originally was formed in the early 1900′s as a group of lawyers to legally defend communists in this country. If we are a free country we should abolish the rights for their existence. If our country makes it to 2012 we can empower the Republicans, who represent the Americans, to pass legsilation to sue all of the left wing groups and abolish them.

  • http://AOL.COM FRANCIS

    WE NEED TO HAVE GOD AND JESUS IN OUR LIVES AND BECOME CHRISTIANS THE WAY THAT GOD WANTED US TO BE NO WONDER THERE IS SO MUCH DIASTERS HAPPENING PEOPLE WAKE UP GOD IS TELLING US ALL THAT THE WORLD WILL NOT BE HERE AND LESS WE CHANGE THE SIGNS ARE THERE I THINK IF WE HAD RELIGION IN THE SCHOOLS AND THE HOMES THAT IT WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL LOOK AT THE OTHERE RELIGIONS THAT COMPANIES HAVE TO GIVE THEM BREAKS FOR THERE PRAY TIME THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO ME OR I BET ALOT OF OTHERE PEOPLE I BELEIVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY AND THATS WHAT IT SHOULD BE NOT WORSHING A COW OR PIG OR WHATEVER IF SO GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRIES AND DO IT THIS IS THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE

    • Are You Serious

      Francis, very few of us read a post in all caps. So keep posting. LOL

    • Anita

      Frances, were you ever taught to use punctuation in school? It would certainly make it much easier to read your comments. Also you shouldn’t use all caps – that is the same as shouting in this tech world. If you have good (or bad) points, no one can make heads or tails out of it due to your lack of punctuation.

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      Enough is enough Anita, get off it….There are those who have a lot of good things to say and using the computer can be a chalenge. Dont be so rude!!!

    • Sonja

      WELL, what about the commie in NY saying NO RELIGOUS SERVICES AT 9-11, TOO MANY DIFFERENT ONES HE SAYS, forget that crap, just have one solid “Christian” service for all. Afterall, that is what America is all about, Christian morals, values, etc.

    • http://comcast. evelyn

      I agree with you, Francis. Some times tho it is hard for a guy to use one of these computer, but keep on letting us know what you have to say. I am educatied to English and puncuation,,,,maybe I am just too lazy or just wanting to get my message across of the business of the day…I have a lot to say,,sometimes people respond to the other posts with such silly remarks and repeat what has already been said. Mostly about Obamathecreep….or the PCs are hard to use. But keeping writing your opinons as far as I am concerned you are welcome. good day~

  • Willie

    I am surprised the American Communist Looney Union would even think about prayer of any kind in this country. Then maybe it makes sense. They probably think it will bring down the Christian movement here.

  • http://internetexplorer HTC

    obama is also going to take all of your guns so a march on DC will not be possible. Just pray to GOD to step in as you know he is still in charge.

  • http://PartiotUpdate wilgary

    Raymond,its too bad more haven’t read your report. If they had I would think there would be more +’s. There are many of the comments registered here that have landed on the target and several that have missed it altogetheR. You have hit the bull’s eye.
    SEMPER FI

  • P B

    It is a sorry state of what this country has come to when you can’t pray your own prayers to God but its OK for these people to pray to their Allah. I would thumb my nose at the ACLU and tell them and the schools to go and bend over and KISS my rear, because I am going to pray to God if they like it or not. Look what this muslim pig has done to this country and then they want to give him or the democraps another 4 years to finish the job of destroying our country, Come on people has everyone lost their minds in this world or did they just sell it to the highest bidder or ACLU. We all know these guys don’t have any care for this country, they are just a bunch of BOTTOM FEEDING Lawyers, and we know they are just in it for the money, they bow down to no one except the almighty dollar. We need a Lawyer or group to finally stand up to these thieves.

  • jb80538

    If a Christian can’t pray in school or at a school function, muslims shouldn’t be allowed to either!

  • nick

    The author of this piece is a liar. The ACLU has never been against prayer in public schools. They have been against organized vocal prayer. The ACLU supports private personal prayer that does not infringe on the rights of other students. Christian children are permitted to kneel and pray silently, as are Muslims.

    • Sonja

      When people come to America to live, become citizens, they have the right to pray in their own homes as they please, but in our schools, NO they should not have that right. They want what America has given to its citizens, but also want to take away our faith & replace it with their own. When living in America, SPEAK ENGLISH, CHILDREN WILL SAY THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG, MAINTAIN OUR CHRISTIANITY, NOT YOURS, NOT YOUR FLAGS, ETC. ETC. If you don’t like it, THEN LEAVE, GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY. I AM SICK OF THIS CRAP, IT NEEDS TO STOP.

    • Ann C

      You truly have been misled about the ACLU. If they are as you say they are, then explain why they say Muslims should be allowed to pray in our schools, but not Christians. You are ignorant of our history. We are a CHRISTIAN nation, with TOLERANCE for the beliefs of others. The First Amendment DOES NOT permit government to tell us when/where/how we pray. The First Amendment PROTECTS people of faith from government ESTABLISHING a religion that all must follow.
      The ACLU was founded in order to destroy our system from within. Please learn more before you spread your erroneous comments any further. God bless you.

  • Granny

    The ACLU holds the dubious title of an Organization that has had the MOST DELETERIOUS to American Family values – ever!! THIS Commie Group needs to GO straight to hell, Do NOT pass GO….just GO!!!!!

  • http://Yahoo John Whittington

    The Founder: Roger Nash Baldwin is an Anarchist, Socialist, Communist? Well they get along great with Muslims! And they have the nerve to call Christians hypocrits!

  • Gringo Infidel

    IRS should investigate the aclu for tax evasion.

    Expose their hypocrisy to everyone – the roaches cannot stand the light!

  • Ann C

    It seems to me that the Obama influence has slimed its way quite deep into our society. We cannot simply type in our opinions here and then go about our daily lives. Write, email, phone, fax your members in Congress. Write letters to the editor of your local paper. Pray! Go to congress.org; it is a fantastically easy way to contact members of Congress.
    We absolutely must do all we can to let Congress know that, if they do not stand up to this anti-American in the Oval Office, we will make certain they are not re-elected.
    Our country and our freedoms are at stake. Millions of our people have died fighting to defend our country. We must not stand by and let their dying have been in vain!!

  • Sandra

    I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but Islam allows for Muslims to combine their daily prayers if need be so this should be a non-issue.

  • OAHS

    When the ACLU starts funding schools they can determine what is done inside them … until then … shut up … I think this is a states rights issue … Why should Muslims be excluded from laws? What about the healthcare requirement … excluded by waiver … Muslims cannot blend into OUR society … they need to get out of the US … take your religion and go home with Barry and Moochelle leading the way …

  • Avenger

    The Bible tells Christians to “Pray without ceasing”. Sounds like prayer is one of Christianity’s pillars also!

  • sinmantyx

    I stopped reading when the article claimed that the ACLU advocated “banning prayer in schools completely”. This is a lie. It’s a blatant lie. Don’t you guys hate being lied to? Isn’t “baring false witness” sort of a no-no or something? Seriously, many of you guys are carrying on like dime-a-dozen fascists still fighting over the Treaty of Tripoli (google it for chrissake).

  • Jeffrey E. Salzberg

    The ACLU has not — except in the tortured fantasies of certain people — fought “all things Christian. The ACLU has fought the efforts of *some* Christians to use the power of government to impose their religion on others.

    The ACLU has gone to court, several times, in support of the right of Christian students — and those of other religions, as well — to pray and read their religious books in their free time at school.

    My question for you is, why do you imply that “Muslim” is a pejorative? That’s not very American of you.

  • Paul Panners

    Maybe you should print the whole statement from the ACLU:

    Public schools should not be in the business of endorsing or promoting any kind of prayer or religious activity for any students, regardless of their religion. But at the same time, students should be free to engage in genuinely voluntary prayers while at public schools, particularly during recess and lunch time, as long as they do not disrupt the proper functioning of the school and do not pressure other students to join in – regardless of whether the prayers are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or of any other faith. Of course, schools cannot favor or discriminate either for or against a particular religion or between religious and non-religious meetings.