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Legal Guns Would Make Norway Safer

Written on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 by

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How long would the Norway gunman have lasted in Texas or any state where concealed-carry laws are on the books? I ran a survey while on a cruise: in Texas, 3 minutes; in Montana, 7 to 8 minutes; in Arizona, 2 minutes; and in Nevada, 3 to 5 minutes.

Had Norway not surrendered to the anti-self-defense nuts, and allowed Norwegians to protect themselves by legally carrying guns, the massacre might well have been prevented. There’s a lot of truth in the old adage that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns.

That was certainly true in Norway where Anders Breivik, a lone gunman, launched his assault on youth campers of Utoya Island. According to press reports he fully expected Norway’s special forces to swoop down and stop him at any minute. It didn’t happen. Faced with unarmed victims he was given plenty of time to kill 68 innocent people who could not defend themselves. Had just one of them been armed, Breivik could have been stopped dead and lives would have been spared.

Moreover, if anyone had paid attention to Breivik’s rants they would not have been surprised when he acted on them, especially since Breivik had preceded his attack by setting off a car bomb in the heart of Oslo.

Tragically, Norway’s anti-gun hysteria resulted in laws restricting gun ownership by law-abiding citizens, leaving them exposed to gun violence at the hands of criminals such as Breivik, who simply ignore anti-gun ownership laws. Despite the Second Amendment, which protects American citizens’ rights to access to guns for self-protection, the Constitutional right of citizens to bear arms is under constant assault.

In his best-selling classic “More Guns, Less Crime,” John R. Lott, Jr. has proven that guns make us safer. And in the book “The Bias against Guns,” he shows how liberals bury pro-gun facts out of sheer bias against the truth.

With irrefutable evidence, Lott shot down gun critics and provided information we need to win arguments with those fanatics who want to ban gun ownership, leaving criminals who ignore anti-gun ownership laws armed.

History teaches us that governments faced with an armed citizenry are restrained from usurping the rights of individuals. It is thus no surprise that governments which seek to exercise dictatorial powers over their citizens inevitably seek to restrict of outlaw gun ownership by their citizenry.

In an interview with the University of Chicago, Lott said that states with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes. Thirty-one states now have such laws — called “shall-issue” laws. These laws allow adults the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness.

He noted that criminals are deterred by higher penalties. Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself. He shows that there is a strong negative relationship between the number of law-abiding citizens who have gun permits and the crime rate, noting that as more people obtain permits there is a greater decline in violent crime rates. He adds that for each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent.

Concealed handgun laws reduce violent crime for two reasons. First, they reduce the number of attempted crimes because criminals are uncertain which potential victims can defend themselves. Second, victims who have guns are in a much better position to defend themselves. That’s just common sense.

Our Founding Fathers understood the need for an armed citizenry. Thanks to the colonists who were armed, America triumphed over the strongest army in the world. They insisted that their fellow Americans have a right to bear arms in order to guarantee their liberties and safeguard them from those who would deny them the freedom they won on the battlefields of the American Revolution.

We need to be ever vigilant — there are always those who would trample on our rights as free Americans. As long as we retain the right to self-defense guaranteed by the right to own and bear arms, our freedoms will be secure.

Michael Reagan is the son of President Ronald Reagan, a political consultant, and the author of “The New Reagan Revolution” (St. Martin’s Press, 2011). He is the founder and chairman of The Reagan Group and president of The Reagan Legacy Foundation. Visit his website at www.reagan.com, or e-mail comments to Reagan@caglecartoons.com.

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  • http://smashauthority.blogspot.com/ DestroyCapitalism

    As an ANARCHIST i believe in keeping guns ILLEGALLY

    • Martin

      Yes, I know. That’s why I ain’t giving up mine, Pookie!

    • Tired Old Man

      Me neither….. and check this out for fact…. most police officers might tell you differently but from what I’ve dug up is that the police DO NOT have the civic obligation or responsibility to protect you. That is why I have a bumper sticker that reads, “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away…..are your guns lubed and loaded?”

    • Chris

      When asked, “why carry a firearm?”

      Answer, “because a cop is to big to carry!”

      Lame but true, and most of them do not know how to shoot, one of the biggest reasons the Glock type firearms are so common!

    • Apache6

      That’s true,Chris!!

    • randy

      ive got a colt trooper mrk3,a kimder 45,and a glock 357sig..nothing pretty about a glock,but,they do what theyre made to do really well..

    • http://juan-gilberto@hotmail.com El Lobo Solo

      @ Chris:
      Nor could you afford the vacation time, pension & health benifits to carry a Cop, not to mention all the union rules.
      LOL

    • catman

      Your almost right on that Tired Old Man. SCOTUS, several years ago ruled that the Police do not have the obligation to protect you personally. They ruled that the Police do have the obligation to protect the “general welfare of the populace”. IE: protect yourself!!
      911= government “dial-a-prayer”.

    • Apache6

      Tired,I’M “COCKED,LOCKED,and READY TO ROCK”!!

    • Apache6

      “THEY”will be climbing over the bodies of “THEY”own dead to get mine!!!

    • John the Libertarian

      Except for your liar in chief bud’s law enforcement types, right dodo??? go back and study the history of the 20th century— EVERY SINGLE CIVILIAN MASSACRE THAT HAPPENED IN THE 20th CENTURY OCCURRED AFTER THE RESPECTIVE GOVERNMENTS TOOK THE CIVILIAN’S GUNS FIRST— ever wonder why it hasn’t happened HERE??? Of course if you want to volunteer to be the 1st victim, i doubt there’d be anyone on this blog that would stop you ;-)

    • Asa Christian

      Most people do not know history. When you explain such historic events to them, they just look at you with a blank stare. Once the Totalitarians have disarmed the public, they begin to “eliminate” undesireable elements in the society (ie intellectuals, opposition leaders, “undesireable” religious groups, “undesireable” ethnic groups, and in the case of the Third Reich, Jews). Are you one of the “chosen” group? Our best, most effective, and continuing protection from both a tyrannical government and from criminal elements is an armed citizenry PERIOD!!

    • https://market.android.com/search?q=muckelnucket Joe Levi

      Columbine.

      Fort Hood.

      Virginia Tech.

      Trolley Square.

      What do they all have in common?

      They were all locations that criminals selected to carry out violent slayings of innocent people. They also all prohibit firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

      Coincidence?

      – Joe Levi, http://SittingDuckPolicy.com

    • Chris

      DestroyCapitalism,
      Moron! People like yourself are of no importance to the rest of the world and offer nothing of value!
      If you were in a true anarchist society, you would not be able to keep a firearm illegally, because there would no laws!
      You are such a dimwit, how do you get up in the morning???
      Do not you understand, the only reason you have a forum to blather on, is because of Capitalism! It was not a bunch of anarchist or dictators that developed the machines you are using, instead it was capitalist!!

      You are only a liar, whoms lies about your own beliefs, because you are using all of the capitalist inventions to spred your ignorance! Get real idiot!!

    • John the Libertarian

      THANKS, Chris for a spot on analysis of a diseased mind ;-)

    • Judy

      Chris: Most of us have chosen to boycott Destroy Capitalism. He enjoys ruffling feathers. He is juvenile and adds nothing to this blog.

    • Apache6

      Ditto,Judy,I don’t even read his SHIT anymore,I just click THUMBS DOWN,and move on to the next post!!

    • LaCarmenisha

      Well, “Destroy Capitalism” is probably a lonely, friendless hermit who seldom leaves his computer room, even to take a bath or get dressed. Going out into the real world would probably hurt his eyes.

  • ARMYOF69

    Here in California, it’s impossible to get a carry permit, only outlaws are allowed to carry guns. I have been held up at gunpoint by a black criminal, my wife has had a gun shoved in her face by another black criminal. Nothing ever happened to the criminals. LOS ANGELES is the most dangerous place I have ever lived in , in my life.

    • Martin

      And you still live there because……..? I left there in 1998 and moved out to the Hinterland. My “little friend” goes every where I go. If he can’t accompany me, I don’t go. It’s as simple as that!

    • ARMYOF69

      I have a small business which took years to get to where I am now, and would hate to give it up completely. It’s my only source of income, and my clients are in S. California. Mind you the rate at which business is dropping , thanks to the economy, might decide for me to leave post haste . And, I am well armed at home, just hoping the same black guy who held me up shows up again near my front door. He will NOT ESCAPE.

    • John the Libertarian

      sorry to hear of your current business challenges, ARMY OF 69— hope things turn around for you— hate to see an honest man beaten down by socialistic kalifornia

    • JIM

      REMEMBER THE WATTS RIOT ?THE ONLY BUSISNESS THAT WASENT LOOTED WAS GUARED BY A PERSON WITH A GUN.

      I WOULD LOT RATHER CARRY A GUN AND NOT NEED IT THAT THAN NOT CARRY ONE AND NEED IT WHAT GOOD IS ONE AT HOME WHILE YOU ARE AWAY FROM HOME.

    • ARMYOF69

      I had just got my shotgun few days before that happened, and sat at my window sill , with it loaded, alongside my American made 1911.

    • Shane

      It’s a shame that politicians are causing the deaths and injuries of thousands of sheep and the sheep keep following them and voting them back in.

    • Nam68

      I would be moving out of there if I were you, you couldn’t pay me to live there

    • Tired Old Man

      I sympathize with you since I’ve been in that position once and only once. I guarantee it won’t happen a second time….. While I don’t promote doing things illegally, sometimes it’s better to be judged by a jury of 12 than buried by 6. If I were you, I’d possibly consider a pistol called “the Judge” that shots 410 shotgun ammo. Leaves no trace of rifling and doesn’t eject the casings. A good self-defense weapon.

    • Bluedresser

      And it has a great pattern at 5 yards. Check out this month’s issue of the American Rifleman for a report on it.

    • John the Libertarian

      Tired old man— while the judge is a good choice, the AMERICAN MADE Governor by Smith & Wesson (just introduced at this year’s SHOT show) is better ;-)… (one additional caliber + AMERICAN MADE) i have nothing against Taurus- good brand— but i’d rather support American ESPECIALLY when they’re better

    • John the Libertarian

      Post script to previous post about Smith & Wesson Governor vs. Taurus Judge: American made Smith & Wesson Govenor: 3 calibers 410 shotshell; 45 colt & 45ACP; # of cylinders: 6 Cost:about $40 over MSRP of Brazilian made Taurus Judge (unless you also opt to have factory installed crimson trace laser handgrips for an additional $210 (Taurus’ website does not indicate such availabilty); Taurus’ Brazillian made Governor: calibers: 410 shotshell & 45 colt; # cylinders:5… seems to me for mere chump change you get 1 more cylinder, 1 more available caliber choice AND help employ American workers AND AS A BONUS, help our balance of trade deficit… and you also get the option of a factory installed laser grip if you choose to spend a little more… not meaning to put down the judge ( a very good gun by all accounts)— but merely pointing out a much better value for your hard earned dollar (and being able to recycle in our economy to boot) ;-)

    • Apache6

      I agree,John the L,I try to buy AMERICAN when ever possible,but the TAURUS 24/7 PRO .45acp was TO GOOD a DEAL to pass up,it’s a really good piece.Right know I’m getting ready to add a HI-CAP.1911 to my ARSENAL,as well as a HEAVY BARREL SNIPER RIFLE!!

    • Apache6

      Tired Old Man,the JUDGE also fires .45colt,so it does have rifling!!! still a good weapon!!

    • juggsy

      Those are very nice weapons, & they carry well….

    • ARMYOF69

      I actually investigated that, guess what, we the public are NOT allowed to own it, certainly not in California.

    • John the Libertarian

      really REALLY sorry you folks have to live under such onerous paternalistic STUPID laws that dictate what you can and cannot use to protect your very lives and the lives of your loved ones…

    • randy

      i have several pistols,but have had my glock 357sig for 3 plus years..just read in the past few months that its almost impossible to trace a bullet back to a glock..

    • catman

      Move to Arizona! We are a “constitutional ” carry state. That means as long as you are not a “prohibited person”, you can carry concealed WITHOUT a permit so long as you are a legal resident of the state.

    • Apache6

      AND,catman,if your NOT a resident of AZ.ya just carry open!!

    • Apache6

      RANDY,I wear gloves when I load my MAGS,so as not to leave any thumb prints!!

    • Mike88

      Then it is a very simple solution for your problem, don’t request a permit for something that is your right to carry to begin with. Do you need to get a permit to speak, or swim, or cook,eat, these are also your rights to do.
      It is time that the American people realize that we do not need a permit to defend ourselves and the government does not have the right or authority to demand that we ask them for permission to do everything.

    • John the Libertarian

      Mike- i TOTALLY AGREE IN PRINCIPLE, but hate to see good folks lose their human (God given if you will) right to protect their very lives and the lives of their loved ones merely because of the onerous dictates of the leviathan

    • catman

      Mike…While I agree it should be your constitutional right to carry, do that in the “peoples republic of kaliphony” and you go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars. Just straight to jail! Even a very minor traffic stop and the cops will search your person. If you have a gun, it’s bracelet time and I don’t like their jeweler.

    • Johnnygard

      Not all of California is that bad. I’ve had CCW permits in one city and 2 different counties in CA over the last 30 years.

    • Asa Christian

      Carry a baseball bat, a billy club, a long spike, or a can of wasp spray. You don’t have only one choice, a gun. DO NOT allow yourself to become a victim. F*%K the dirt bags of the world. Hurt them, chase them, resist them, pursue them, fight back, rip their heads off and S#@T down their necks.

    • Apache6

      Michigan is a shall issue state,and I am thinking about getting mine as I’VE been carrying without a CCW for years,the thing is,is that I don’t know if I want “THEY”(fed,and state gov.)to know I’M carrying!!!!

    • catman

      ARMYOF69…I was born and raised in L.A. Moved out in 1970 and “ain’t been back”. Have no desire to go back for any reason. We have a daughter who lives in Palms Springs and they come here rather than us going there. I am able to carry a firearm legally in California because I am a retired LEO. Even with that, I will stay the hell out of Kaliphony. I don’t trust the cops there to know anything about legal carry. I would be jailed and my weapon confiscated, etc, etc, etc and that doesn’t include the cost of bailing my butt out.

    • John the Libertarian

      catman— THANKS FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE AS A LEO… my life was literally saved by a leo, so you can imagine how i feel about leos… i’ve wondered in the past how i would repay this debt, if i had the chance to… at first with my concealed carry, i thought to perhaps engage the perp with the leo… but after much thought i came to a differnt solution to my leo debt problem: if it was a case of officer down, my best response WOULD NOT be to engage the perp— you know most of the time they will get their comeuppance thru the legal system… but that leo may only have 1 chance to pull thru thru the intervention of 1st aid to stop the bleeding and /or start the breathing… and that leo needs to get home to loved ones, who may not ever see him or her again without timely intervention to help… therefore, if ever i come into a situation like that, my moral duty will be to try to render whatever aid to the leo i can to keep them alive (responding with my gunfire only when it would interfere with the primary duty to try to help the Leo survive)… lest you think such a scenario unlikely, i am grateful that twice in my life i came to the aid of ladies in distress at the hands of perps (once the perps had a gun i was unaware of until i intervened)…so God bless you for your service from one who knows 1st hand what ‘to protect & serve’ really means

  • doc

    I am afraid we will soon see an armed citizens revolution against our own government.I just hope I still have my guns and ammo.if that is what it takes.

    • ARMYOF69

      It’s not so far fetched. Hang on to your guns and get as much ammo as you can afford. You can never have enough. If and when the time comes, it will be worth more than gold.

    • John the Libertarian

      and while you’re at it, get into reloading so you can practice more and sharpen your skills better— as the sniper motto says- ‘one shot one kill ‘ (hope it never comes to that but we MUST maintain CONSTANT VIGILANCE against the liar in chief while he still sits in the white house)

    • ARMYOF69
    • Mike88

      Why would you be afraid to see an armed citizen revolt against our own government, it is what has been badly needed for a long time.

    • John the Libertarian

      Mike– with all due respect (i sincerely mean that)— armed revolt against one’s government is NOT something to be entered into lightly— i hope it never comes to that, but we must be ready for it if it does become necessary… even tho there are numerous provocations on the part of the government against it’s citizens, now is not yet the time to sound the clarion call to revolt… BUT NOW IS THE TIME (way past) TO PREPARE & BE READY IN CASE THE TIME DOES COME… SALUTE TO YOU, BROTHER…

    • ARMYOF69

      You’re right, TIMING is everything. And when needed, we shall all find out about it at a rapid rate. The signal will be :
      No communications availabele on your phone line, or cell phone.
      THOSE ARE THE INDICATORS, mark my words.

    • John the Libertarian

      Thanks for the suggestion Armyof69… in the meantime. i still think it would behoove us all to align with LEGITIMATE militias for self & communal defense & also ally ourselves to augment local Leos (especially sheriff departments) as auxiliary forces when needed (and when they’re willing)… not as junior cops— but just taking the load off them in auxiliary functions if they were to be overwhelmed in times of natural disasters or civil unrest (the rioting & looting type- not the illegal firearm seizure type that occurred in New Orleans after katrina)

  • http://! jb80538

    the countries where guns are legal in the hands of the citizens, the people are generally safer.

    • Chris

      One only has to ask why the Swiss have not been invaded!
      Answer, it would be going into a well armed hell hole for the invaders!

    • Apache6

      DITTO,Chris,the Swiss citizens are issued slect fire FN-FALS !!!!

    • Apache6

      DID I JUST MISSPELL SELECT ??

  • Shane

    Ask a criminal a simple question,…
    Who would you choose to attempt to Rob, Rape, Injure, Kill, etc.
    Someone you know has no gun? or…
    Someone you don’t know if they do or don’t have a gun?
    It may be the only question you ask in your entire life where you get the same answer 100% of the time.

  • BIRTHER

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flW5XNRgb4o

    NEVER GIVE UP YOUR GUNS…NEVER!!

  • CharlieHorse

    Remember that on military bases, only MPs and security are allowed to carry guns (except, of course, at the range) which exactly why the Fort Hood Muslim was able to shoot so many people.

    • ARMYOF69

      Not only that, but the soldiers have to declare afterwards that they have no empty cases or live ammunition in their possession.

  • Ernest

    Lifetime Carry Permit here in Indiana IN MY WALLET!
    OH and a P90 Ruger .45ACP in my holster and plenty of practice.

  • John the Libertarian

    One need only observe a peaceful tranquility (except for the expansion of mosques- those calls to prayer 5 times a day can be very noisy from the minarets)— just a little south and a little east in Switzerland— they have guns up the wazoo (and hopefully barring problems with the aforementioned types)- they will continue to have no problems— perhaps europeans could pause and take a peek there

  • am2sweet

    I believe we should have the right to own guns and carry too if we want. Criminals take that right whether it’s legal or not. The only thing is being careful if you’re going to carry. My husband has carry license and we went to Wal Mart one day to pick up something. Right in front of the store and a van parked there with a guy waiting for his wife the gun dropped from his pocket onto the ground. He picked it up real fast but the guy in the van saw it. When we entered the store the wife had come out to the van. We got the one item we needed and when we went to leave that same van was still parked there and when we got to our car a police car had showed up and parked a couple rows over by the front of the store. When we left the police car followed us out to the edge of town before turning off. I’m surprised they didn’t stop us. But if the cop checked he would see there was a permit for the gun. Now my husband makes sure the holder for it is snapped where it can’t fall out.

    • John the Libertarian

      am2sweet— God bless you & your husband— i too carry… for me the tipping point came with the monsters shooting in Tuscon… in the highest sense, i love children… when that MONSTER shot the 9 yr old girl , i cried several times for her parents { and i’m NOT ashamed to admit it}… to have such a loss to me personally would be beyond what i could personally bear… i would rather risk my own life attempting to save a child than to let a mad dog try to snuf out a child… it really is too bad when righteous citizens like yourself & your husband have to fear their own police forces, don’t you think????

    • am2sweet

      My husband started carrying for his job as he would at times have large amounts of money to deposit. Then with the world changing he started carrying all the time instead of just for work. He would protect children, old people and frankly anyone at risk. He values human life and resents idiots who go out just shooting anyone for anything. Needless to say no one wants to break into our house.

    • John the Libertarian

      am2sweet- thanks for your expansion on protecting others, also… twice in my life i had the good fortune of coming to the aid of ladies in distress ( i was single both times)… one of the times after i barged into the situation, i found out the perps were armed ( oh oh)… both times i was unarmed… it takes a special kind of courage to do so when you’re married (like your husband, obviously), as when you’re married you must also take into account your greater responsibility to your spouse, and especially if you have children who have not reached adulthood— then your 1st responsibility MUST BE TO THEM… but in all cases, we have the moral obligation to AT A MINIMUM, call 911… kudos to you & your hubby for being proactive in defense of other people

    • Apache6

      AM2,I have a small sign by my front door that says “NO TRESPASSING,NO QUESTIONS ASKED,NO EXCUSES ACCEPTED,NO ONE LEAVES HERE ALIVE”!!!!

    • ARMYOF69

      Have you heard of the latest ‘boys in blue” good deed. In California, 6 burly cops murdered a 135lb schitzo. Beat him to a pulp with their flashlights, after multiple hits of laser weapons. It’s time to bring our police force nationwide into a classroom and let them know ,they are OUR servants, and not to murder citizens.

    • ARMYOF69

      LOOK AT THIS: I actually was brought to tears after looking at the poor guys face:
      add the usual :

      gawker.com/5825010/police-beat-gentle-homeless-mentally-ill-man-to-death

    • Apache6

      Your a good man,JOHN,I would do the same!!

    • John the Libertarian

      Thanks, Apache6: didn’t realize i mentioned that twice (on different days)… it gives me GREAT joy to know there are others who would intervene… please remember the quote that “For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing”… thanks for being a good man that will not let evil triumph on his watch

    • catman

      John…I live fairly close to where that shooting took place here in Tucson. (Actually it was in Pima County territory. There were several people in the crowd that were carrying. One of the guys who tackled this creep said he contemplated (for a split second) drawing his weapon, but he was so close and there were so many people around he decided to just tackle him instead. Good thinking and a damn good choice. Had he missed with a shot and hit an innocent person, he would have been in a world of trouble.

    • John the Libertarian

      THANKS for the info, catman… i was still also touched by the outstanding courage of the judge killed by the madman who used his body to protect the wounded staffer for Congresswoman Giffords (who survived in part because of the judge’s courage, when he himself did not)… THAT’S WHAT TRUE COURAGE IS ALL ABOUT

  • Charlie

    I remember reading once a few years ago of a town in Georgia that was so crime-riddled that the city council passed an ordinance that every citizen who was legally allowed and physically able to control a gun, be required to purchase one. Crime dropped to near-zero.

    Gee, I can’t imagine why.

    Does anyone know the name of that town by chance? I’ve tried to find it again and haven’t had much luck.

    I don’t like guns. I don’t own one. I tried shooting once and was too much of a danger to myself and surrounding people. By the same token, I think the Second Amendment is the only thing that’s stopped a wholesale invasion of this country by other nations and kept crime as low overall as it has been. I do believe that legal firearm ownership is key to a civilized society.

    • John

      That would be Kennesaw GA. I am not sure it had anything to do with the crime rate, but lack of money for the town to afford a police department. The law is more of a technicality, they do not actually check to see if everyone has a gun in their home and they still have a county sheriff’s department.

      You really need to consider a good shooting school like Front-sight in Nevada. Everyone needs to be armed and there is no reason to be scared of guns. Start with an air gun or .22 rifle if you need to, but learn how to use a gun properly.

    • http://aoj.myefoods.com/freemeals/ scarfacesquirrel

      Yes John you are right, it’s only been 26 years. I actually lived in Cobb County right on the Kennesaw city line but the US Post Office in their infinite wisdom had me with a Woodstock address. When I thought about Kennesaw I immediately thought of the mountain and the battlefield park. I remember Dent Myers Store across from the General, but I remembered my postal address.

    • catman

      Most gun stores can put you in touch with an NRA certified instructor. Nothing to be afraid of. A gun is an inanimate object and is no danger to anyone until some idiot puts it to an illegal use. I’ve never known of ANY gun that has killed anyone. I do know of a few thousand felons who used a gun to commit their crimes. Of course people have used screwdrivers, hammers, baseball bats, poison and all sorts of other items to commit murder and mayhem. So why not outlaw those items too?

    • John the Libertarian

      maybe also we could outlaw scissors, glass bottles, kitchen knives, rope, high places & car exhaust for any suicidally inclined, ‘ya think??? ;-)

    • http://aoj.myefoods.com/freemeals/ scarfacesquirrel

      The Georgia town in question is Woodstock.
      The city council went to Atlanta Federal Pen and asked a bunch of cons what they feared most about their chosen career paths? And almost to the man the answer was “A home owner with a gun” when asked why? The answer was; “A cop will arrest you a home owner will just shoot you”. Beautiful little town just north of Atlanta, I lived there for eight years, some very colorful citizens (as in full of character) and yes a very low crime rate.

    • John the Libertarian

      scarfacesquirrel; perhaps Woodstock Ga, also did it, but respectfully, it was Kennesaw that garnered national attention

  • http://danny Danny

    When you have only seconds to live the cops are only minutes away.

    Always remember a gun in hand is worth more than ten cops on the phone.

  • Mike88

    I think it is time to turn this around on the government. Instead of the government demanding that we ask them for permission to do things especially arming ourselves for self protection, I think it is time that our government asks the people for permission to do almost everything they do. I think it is time for the people to be able to vote in favor or against everything the government wants to do, and if the people decide the government can’t or shouldn’t do it, then the funding for a proposed bill needs to be denied. Period. Since we the people pay for all of the funding for everything the government wants to do, it should be up to us to approve or disapprove whatever the government wants to do.

    • Charlie

      What you’re advocating is a democracy. Given the size of this country, physically and population-wise, as well as the inherent difficulties of running something that size, a democracy wouldn’t work.

      I never gave much though to it until the last few months, but many of our leaders had tried to convince us we have a democracy. No. We have a democratically-elected (i.e., one man, one vote,) constitutional republic. If we’re to get this country back on track, we need to restore the constitutional republic we once had. The path to “democracy” was started with President Wilson and has continued, in one degree or another, with both parties. The problem is that democracies fail, republics don’t fail as easily because of the safeguards on power and government size they inherently have. Look at ancient Greece versus ancient Rome. Athens, as a city-state, while someone long-lived, couldn’t hold itself together (hmm, not that much different from Greece now, but I digress…,) versus Rome, which, through a beauracracized (I don’t even know if it’s a real word, it is for this post,) government with specific limits and a lot of government that behaved very similarly to the Tenth Amendment (letting conquered lands be semi-autonomous and govern with their own traditions to a degree,) Rome held together until it was too big to be manageable, although it begs the question if Rome existed today- would it hold together because of better communication, defense, etc.?

    • John the Libertarian

      Good points, Mike & Charlie, both— hope we can still turn this thing around… but in the meantime, keep your powder dry & practice, practice, practice & seek out similar spirits to band together

  • Suzanne Tarley

    Just remember: THE FIRST THING THE NAZIS DID WAS TO TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM THE COMMON MAN”

    The idiots that favor gun control do not know history, The Left has forced us to raise our children without the knowledge of history.

    • John the Libertarian

      Dear Suzanne— how else do you think they could pull the bull they do except for their relentless dumbing down of American history and especial governmental civics? They rely on the ignorance they support to push their flim flam flotsam… BTW- meaning NO disrespect to you or your post ;-)

    • Olesarge

      When history is forgotten or ignored, it will repeat itself.

  • E.B. Myers

    I agree with almost all the posts here.
    Couple of comments though.
    If the people voted on every bill or proposed law,we would constantly be at a polling place.That’s why we elect people that are “supposed” to support our views.
    You can buy all the ammo you can,but when push comes to shove,you can only use what you can carry.Depends on the caliber.

    • juggsy

      Thats why you stock up on mags, preload them, then get yourself a vest & some bandoliers that will carry your extra ammo over your shoulder along with a good carry pack for more rounds. When I run low, then I plan to simply take out my adversary and resupply myself with his ammo, The most common ammo is going to be 5.56, 7.62 x 39 and .308 ^^Semper Fi^^…..

    • Apache6

      That’s my plan too,juggsy,my AR is in a case that holds six 40rd mags,and my bug out bag has PLENTY more,if ya don’t have a place to run to,then travel light,kill your enemy and take his GUNS AND AMMO!!!

  • calmo

    Michael, I’m betting those folks in Montana wouldn’t mess around for 7 or 8 minutes. Is anybody from there aboard? If so, what’s your take?

  • http://aoj.myefoods.com/freemeals/ scarfacesquirrel

    Charley you are correct. What is being described is a Democracy or simply; Mob Rule.
    The best description I have ever heard is; in 1873 a man robbed a bank and was chased down by the town posse who voted 15 to 1 (the one being the robber) to sting the guy up; (Democracy at work). Before the horse was driven out from under him, the Sheriff shows up and explains at gun point that the robber will be take back to town to face a trail and a jury of his pears, He does, is found guilty and is hung by the neck until dead; a (Republic or nation of Laws at work) a very subtle, but a very big difference. Our very wise founding Fathers gave us a Republic, I and many others took an Oath to Protect and Defend the Republic and its Constitution, personally I take that Oath Very Serious.

    • Apache6

      As do I,Scar,if your not a member of OATH KEEPERS,JOIN !!

  • Tinman

    politicians are not hoplophobes, they do have a reason to fear guns. Take a good look around at the mess they have made!

  • John Kramer

    Massachusetts gun control laws are worse than
    other states’ gun control laws. People in my state are not allowed to use guns to protect themselves. If Norway did not have the same law my state has, fewer live would have been lost. Private citizens should have been allowed to use guns to defend themselves. There are a lot of muggings in Norway and people can’t defend themselve there because people are not allowed to use guns to defend
    themselves.

    • Olesarge

      I lived in Norway for four years in the 1970s and none of that went on then. At that time, just about every one in Norway had a rifle because most of them were members of the Home Guard. Crime was pretty much nonexistent then. Were you there and actually saw this? I do know that before WWII that guns were outlawed in Norway and Denmark. That was why Hitler took Denmark in one day and Norway in less than three months. That is also why Norwegians were encouraged to have them after the War. Hand guns were different. The only people that could carry them were Police and Military officers. But if you broke into a Norwegian home back then you would be shot. That was a little over thirty years ago but I will be contacting some of my old Norwegian friends and find out what their laws are now.

    • Apache6

      Isn’t it Vermont that doesn’t have ANY gun laws?????

    • SaneRepublican

      “There are a lot of muggings in Norway”?

      Do you have any statistics to back that up? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?

      How do muggings in Norway compare to muggings in the United States in terms of per capita?

      How many gun related deaths do they have in Norway?

      When was the last time Norway suffered such a tragedy?

      Maybe you people should learn some facts before you spout off your usual nonsense.

      Then again, learning facts would require you to have a functional brain.

  • http://google Gary Emch

    People have to realize that there is a sick and cowardly crowd of liberal anti gunners who have no regard for honor of self defense. These people lie and twist facts showing that the armed citizens bring the crime rate down. Could you imagine the rise in crime, corruption and killings if citizens could not be armed? The fact is anti gunners are just plain cowardly and sick people who never did anything good for anybody.

  • http://google Gary Emch

    I also want to add these are the same people who hid behind their mothers skirts while many of us were serving our country protecting these cowards! The anti gun crowd needs to take a boat and live on their own island where they can infect only themselves.

  • ExArmyMP

    The Second Amendment is there in case the government decides to ignore the rest of the Bill of Rights.

    • John the Libertarian

      THANKS ExMP— succinct and RIGHT ON TARGET ;-)

  • Walter L

    we must be vigilant at all times and watch,listen,act.don’t wait to react it will be to late.
    Continue to buy canned foods and all the ammo you can,be ready at a moments notice.Have a plan and work your plan.
    LIBERTY OR DEATH