Question Evolution! Campaign heats up the Creation vs. evolution culture war

Written on Thursday, August 25, 2011 by FYI

The battle over teaching evolution in schools has heated up recently with eight anti-evolution bills introduced by U.S. state legislators in 2011. Also, the prominent creationist group, Creation Ministries International (CMI), launched a Question Evolution! Campaign

internationally, encouraging students to wear “question evolution” t-shirts and hand out “question evolution” tracts in their schools.

The campaign will initially focus on the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Singapore. In the United States, a church lobbyist organization that speaks on behalf of 43,000 plus churches has just embraced the campaign.

The Question Evolution! Campaign will be advanced through the internet, television, radio, joint efforts with other Christian organizations and through an army of volunteers using social media websites. CMI believes in grassroots efforts rather than top down approaches when it comes to spreading their pro-creation message.

Creation Ministries International has a Question Evolution! Campaign web page which describes the campaign plus it features their “15 Questions that evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer”.

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WhoCares

Man is tripartite–body, soul and spirit.

Why is man higher than an animal? Man has a spirit. An animal does not have a spirit.

Evan

And you know this how?
An assertion of your religion.

R Freeman

I think I would rather place my faith in a living God that created everything, obey his commands for salvation and after death be right than to believe in evolution, the non-existence of a living God, not obey his commands to be saved, and after death be wrong.

Whackajig

Man is an animal just as is the dog cat and horse. We are a little smarter, but not very much.

Steve

‘Faith’ as used in the New Testament, and indeed everywhere prior to existentialism does not refer to a blind leap in the dark, or pretending that something is true.

Rather it is cognate with feality, keeping faith. It is trust, not baseless belief.

Further, creation model science is not based on believing against data, it is experimental science and historical science using the same scientific methods as those using the other major operatant paradigm: philosophical materialism.
Evan

Yes, as in, keeping the faith in spite of what evidence may be.
“Further”, God did it, is not a scientific explanation for anything.

Budman68

But “it just happened” IS a scientific explanation?

Evan

No, it’s called physics.

Jake

So it was the Laws of Physics that just happened. Now it is so clear to me. Is it OK with you if I call the one who wrote the Laws of Physics God? And if He decided to create the universe using those Laws or some other method, is it OK if I call that a miracle? Or do I have to bow down and kiss every scientist’s theory writing butt because they think they have it all figured out? And then when we find out our theories are wrong (as science has a long history of) can I stop kissing the first guy’s but or maybe you could just point me to what butt to kiss because by then my head might be so far up his ass I’ll miss the memo that he got it wrong.

Evan

If you want to fantasize about an author of physics where none is needed go ahead but whatever you do keep your head up your own ass for visions of your God.
http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

You can believe anything you want to believe. You can teach whatever you like in Sunday schools. What you cannot do is present you faith as fact in a science class in a public institution.

If tomorrow you were to be able to teach creationism in such a manner how would you do it? Would you teach the Christian version of creationism? Would you give equal time to every other religion that has ever had a creation story? After all they would all then be equally valid “theories”.

R Freeman

Neither is the un-witnessed THEORY of evolution. No animal, fish or fowl has ever transmutated into another species. Nor has any man ever witnessed such a thing happening. The bible plainly speaks of each to reproduce after their KIND. This makes much more sense to me.

Whackajig

I used to have a dog we called “porky”. We called him that because he liked to hump pigs.

Ford

Maybe your God or even mine created you and me by using evolution just as God uses gravity to keep your feet planted on the surface of the earth.

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

If that is the case then the Bible is not literally true. The Story in Genesis is just a parable. If that is that case then any other story in the Bible might also be a parable, including the Gospels. Are you really ready to admit that?
Whackajig

Let’s discuss something more serious.

Like whether or not farts have lumps.

G K

Look at the bright side of the climate change debate: It’s one scientific mystery where big government ideologues all favor “creation” over “evolution.” Agenda is everything.
tony

Why is it that no one has ever witnessed evolution? Not even in a human controlled experiment? Why is it that we can witness creation anytime, any day, anywhere in the world every day of our lives? If chaos is the
“norm” in the universe, then who created order? Conversely, if order is the “norm” throughout the universe, then why would there be a need for random evolution? Ask your Liberal friends to answer that!

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

You have witnessed creation? You have witnessed something being created from nothing? You actually SAW God do this?

No you haven’t. What you see are the after effects and you assign a cause. No one has ever witnessed the Biblical creation either.
Whackajig

Evolution is the gradual change exibited in species over a long period of time. I once toured Ireland and marveled at the structure of the buildings constructed during the 1300s and 1400s. Doorways, stairs and many other things reflected the much smaller frames of the people of those times. We have evolved into a much larger species, or did God decide He needed bigger people?

Maybe if God would quickly change us into tiny liliputian people, we’d have more than enough natural resources to go around.

am2sweet

Actually I don’t think either evolution or creation needs to be taught unless done so with an unbiased view on both. Religion belongs in our homes and churches. It’s that separation everyone has hollered about. Either teach a little of both or leave both alone. Right now teachers want kids to think they just came from some monkey. That doesn’t sit well with people who believe the Bible and don’t want their kids being taught something different.

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

So you want no teaching of scientific theories that contradict the Bible?

That is pretty much why the church persecuted Galileo. He had this nasty unBiblical theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Should we stop teaching that one too?

Whackajig

You stupid shit, he is advocating an equal treatment of both views.

Don’t fly off the handle missy until you understand the post.

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

Both views? So we should teach that the Earth revolves around the Sun AND the Biblical view that the Sun revolves around the Earth?

R Freeman

A theory, a theory. What is a theory? Oh, I know … it is a guess. Oh, how many times in history have theorists been eventually proven wrong? Pow! Another theory pops up! Why do so many place so much faith in believing a theory of any kind is a FACT? It is only a theory and thus cannot be proven.

http://rebelforiam.com m. sharpe

I only have one little problem with those who push evolution: They are Progressives/Atheist/Communist, that is the objective;Get rid of all things Jesus Christ.So they start with State sponsered schools to mis-educate the young. There should be a line between School and State.

am2sweet

You are correct. I call then Nazis. We have way too many of them in this country.
http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

From reading your post it almost sounds as if you think the Government should be teaching Jesus in schools. Theocrasy?

Who is miseducating the young? Is anyone coming to your Sunday Schools and teaching evolution? Teach your young what you want but by what right to do attempt to force others to learn your creed?
Whackajig

Horse obama, it is perfectly acceptable to have God and science co-existing.

RickB_GA

I am amazed we are still debating this issue in the 21st century. I believe there are many routes to God and no one religion has a lock on the board. Thank goodness I got out of this conversation about 50 years ago. I did not even know it was still happening. And my dog will join me in the “hereafter”, whatever that might be, when the time comes.

The word “prove” gets used a lot on this board. I would challenge the “Christians” to “prove” the Bible is the word of God rather than the word of God as man would have wanted him to say it.

Come on guys and gals … let’s move out of the dark ages.

Ron

The Bible is the only religious text on that planet where the future was predicted, and it actually came to pass exactly as predicted hundreds of years before, in some cases to the very day! In fact, there are over 700 prophecies of Christ’s coming in the old testament, none of which was written less than 400 years before his birth. People have been trying to disprove that ever since, by saying things like they were written after the fact, etc. But when *scientists* (the high priests of the new religion) discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls and dated them as actually being placed there hundreds of years before the time of Christ, and when they translated said scrolls and discovered that they were virtually word for word the same as the modern Bible, they stopped trying to disprove Bible prophecy. I’m not going to list the prophecies here for you – you’ll have to read them for yourself. Be not afraid to find the truth! Ask and you will receive!

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

the problem with you argument Ron is that you are saying the Bible is self proving. Of course the New Testtament fulfills the prophecies of the Old. When selecting which books to include in the Bible they were choosen for that purpose, among others. Books and writings which contradicted these things were omitted and systematically destroyed. To possess these texts was considered heresey.

It say more about the early church than it does the truth of Bible.

R Freeman

I find it amazing that thus far almost all the writings in the Bible have been proven scientifically to be accurate. Science can prove the Bible easily enough. I do not believe science has ever disproved anything in the Bible,…. it has only proved that the writers recorded events accurately.

Julian

I think most people are missing the point here. Why is this debate always presented as a choice. The underlying question is always “Do you believe religion or science?” Why the division, why not believe both? The truth is that God is the ultimate scientist. He invented science. Christians should embrace science. Atheists seem to think that science disproves God, but it doesn’t. I’m a Christian and I believe a lot of what evolutionary theory says. If evolution ends up being proven true, so what, that does not disprove God. God could have created everything via an evolutionary process, in fact it appears that may be the case based on some of the evidence. A lot of the claims of evolution are absolutely provable and true, but so what. Evolution does not explain how mater and energy came into existence out of nothing. Evolution cannot explain how the first cell arranged itself into a perfect machine. Even more simple than that evolution cannot explain how amino acids formed into the first protein, which is mathematically impossible. Christians need to stop being so defensive when it comes to science. Diffuse the whole argument by just realizing that science does not disprove God. Be secure in the fact that the more we learn about creation the more impossible it is to explain without a creator. Christians need to stop resisting science so much and just agree with the findings if the evidence is there. Remember that the Bible is not a science book and was never intended to be. God does not explain in the Bible how he created everything. Christians need to stop interpreting creation stories in the Bible literally. They were written to very simple people with no understanding of science at all. I believe God condescended to the level of the people he was talking to when the creation account was told. Just like I condescend to my 3 year old when he asks where the sun goes at night. When my son is 30 will he call me a liar for telling him that the sun went beddy-bys at night when he was 3?, No of course not. He’ll understand that I was talking to him at his level. God didn’t explain physics and biology to Moses for crying out loud, they never would have understood that. He spoke to them on their simple level that’s all.

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

You are correct science does not disprove God. It never will disprove God for several reasons.

1. Absent all knowledge about everything (in short being what believer purport God to be). You cannot prove a negative.

2. The theory and the belief in God are contingent on God’s existence outside science. Putting aside the origins for a second scientifically one cannot walk on walk, command the wind to part a sea or rise from the dead after three days. Can’t be done, yet Christians believe that these things occured. These things will never be taught in science class. When learning the properties of water we will not learn that all humans sink except one.

Why then to Christians insist that this element of their faith be taught as fact?

http://adrianvance.blogspot.com Adrian Vance

When we have a carbon chemistry that has the kind of variability seen and a scale of time that is virtually infinite anything is possible.

Take in your arms one invalid or terminally ill child and tell me about your God.

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Julian

Take the same terminally ill child into your arms and tell them they are about to go into oblivion, that there is nothing after their painfull life ends, it that what you are advocating? Explaining why horrific and tragic things happen is not very difficult, but most Christians fail to answer those questions adequately. There are anwers to those who have ears to hear, but most don’t really want to know the truth.

http://doubtingthomas7.blogspot.com Bill

I guess the real question is what do people want?

Do you want ALL creation myths taught in Science class? (Forgive the term myth, however Christians will agree with me that all creation stories but theirs are myths so what other term can I use) They have a class for that it is called philosophy.

To any real Christians out there: I honestly want to know, what is your objection to teaching evolution in science class? How does it affect you or your family or community or church?

Julian

I’m a Christian and I say science (evolution) should be taught in the classroom. My son is in grade school and I want him to learn all of what science has to offer. That may have something to do with the fact that I personally don’t believe the literal creation account of a 6,000 year old earth and all that and don’t want that taught in schools. I do believe in a creator and I do believe that any student of science must live with their head in the sand to deny that what they are seeing is created. But schools should only be teaching current scientific theory. However, I don’t think teachers and professors should be spouting off in class about their atheist beliefs either. When I was at the University or Arizona my Biology professor would go on rants all the time about his atheist beliefs. I was an atheist myself at the time and still found it inappropriate. Just leave both beliefs out of the science classroom and let the students do their own investigations into whether or not a creator exists. On that note I think it was either Watson or Crick of DNA fame that said that he must remind himself daily that what he is looking at is not created. Well if you have to do that maybe it’s time to consider some other possibilities. People should follow the truth wherever it leads. If it leads you to believe there is no God, fine, but don’t refuse to look at all the evidence. And that goes for Christians as well, who shouldn’t dismiss science so quickly.

Julius

Ask an evolutionist this question and see if you can get a solid, sane answer. “If humans evolved from apes, why is this evolution still happening?” God created man and woman and gave them the ability to recreate and procreate, and they are still doing it, so indications lead one to believe that evolutionist are either homosexual or lesbians.
http://www.thoughtsandcommentary.com Dale Netherton

Questioning Evolution?? Where is the questioning in faith defined as unquestioning belief?
carl hurst

Evolution is real simple, everything happened accidently out of nothing. Isn’t it humorous that some scientists devote theirwhole lives to trying to create life in a test tube to prove that it didn’t take intelligence to create life.