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Was Jesus a Socialist?

Written on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 by


Living in Los Angeles has its ups and downs.  The ‘up’ part is the near-perfect weather and the fact that within a few hours, you can swim in the ocean, ski in the mountains or ride dirt bikes in the desert.

The down-side is, of course, the liberals.

I can’t tell you how many times my husband Mark and I have had to deal with misguided liberals who—after losing every other battle—resort to the tired old argument that ‘even Jesus was a socialist’.

This weekend one of Mark’s high school friends posted a picture of Jesus on Facebook with the caption, “But if you feed everyone, Jesus, that would be <gasp> Socialism!”

Following is Mark’s response—and if any of you out there have had to deal with these “socialist Jesus” type of comments please feel free to use this for yourself.

“Not even close.  Jesus feeding the masses would be charity.  The situation would be socialism only if Jesus were a government bureaucrat who decided who could fish and where, then take the fisherman’s catch and distribute it as the bureaucrat sees fit.  And once the socialistic bureaucrat is in control he can change his rules as he sees fit, because in socialism the government always knows better than the individual.

Socialism is a form of government ownership and administration that advocates no private property.  Production is owned and controlled by the state.  In Marxist theory socialism is the transitional bridge between capitalism and communism.  Advocates of socialism and communism are taking advantage of current economic problems by telling you their way is better, when history proves them wrong.

My friend, if you are a socialist or want to promote socialism just say so, instead of posting propaganda that attempts to confuse people with religious images.  When was the last time you saw a government program (especially one from the ‘compassionate democrats’) that teaches people the fundamentals of how to make money or how to manage it so that it grows for them?  You don’t see that, because once people buy into that way of thinking most of them would no longer need the democrat party, which largely promotes dependence on the government, and what you should get from the government instead of self-reliance.

Another thing—historically, socialistic and communistic governments have discouraged or crushed religion and tried to replace religion with government.  I grew up in Mississippi but have lived in California for 20 years.  Out here we are already experiencing the results of a socialist-leaning, big government philosophy and it is devastating.  This state’s massive economy is on the verge of collapse because 40+ years ago its citizens began to let this way of thinking creep into their reality.

In conclusion, I subscribe to the Biblical phrase from 2 Thessalonians 3:10:  “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”

*Editors Note: Another verse previously included has been removed due to the fact it was incorrectly attributed. 

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  • nvrpc

    If saying “God helps those who help themsleves” than yes he was a socialist. Maybe that to complcated for the JA we have in our government today to understand

    • Jeff Okkonen

      “God helps those who help themselves” – is from Ben Franklin

    • Just wondering

      Doesn’t matter who said it, it’s true!

    • Scott C TX

      That all depends on the condition of the heart, which only God knows. If you help yourself out of selfish ambition you are headed for trouble. If you help yourself because you want to provide for yourself and family, then yes you are right.

    • dstout

      The question is stupid on its face. Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God. He is full of compassion, loving and he loves the poor. He demanded that we share our bounty with them. No where did he teach, take from the affluent and give it to the poor. Do not take scriptures out of contsxt to suit your pet belief. Later Paul taught that if a man would not work “he should not eat.” In other words, man up, get a job and supply for you and your family. If you don’t you are stealing from those of us who do work. Should there be temporary help, yes, but mostly through family, churches and charities, NOT the government

    • daves

      “If you teach a man to fish,” said Lall, “ There will be fewer fish! Unless you engage someone to manage and nurture fish.” Similarly, without wise water management, increased exploitation of water resources is not sustainable.

    • daves

      Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day. But teach a man how to fish, and he’ll be dead of mercury poisoning inside of three years. ~Charles Haas

    • daves

      Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.

    • Iraida Rivero

      Yes, I have heard it before, as a matter 51 yrs. ago in Cuba, that was their favorite response, that “Jesus Christ was the first socialist” as a matter of fact I even heard it from so called “brother” of the catholic faith (I am also a catholic),Jesus was definitely not a socialist, but this government, as well as cuba’s are communist, and if anybody is dumb enough to swallow that line they are worse than the commies.
      It is sacriligious to even mention the name of Jesus by the commies, communism is the worst thing that can happen to any country. Nevertheless, the bunch of envious, frustrated citizens, that are lazy, and w/no ambition are going along, just wait and they will be so sorry. The only problem we will suffer with these bunch of sick minded envious @@@@@@@.

    • El Lobo Solo

      @ Daves:

      Re: water management

      Thats why I set up a rain water harvest system for household use. Turned down for financing for a well.

    • Marko

      Jesus healed the sick and helped mankind but Jesus did not steal from John to enrich Paul !!! Jesus gave of himself and encouraged others to give of their self.

      There is an old saying that comes to mind … Conservatives give you the shirt off their back but Liberal Commi’s Marxist Sodomites Pigs steal the shirts of others’ to buy votes.

    • Kevin

      Of course, since Jesus was every bit as insulting as you. He may or may not have been a socialist but the level of compassion exhibited by conservatives us literally unreal.

    • LTCB

      Actually, that’s a lie. God directly says he makes His rain fall on the just and on the unjust. Rain was a figure of speech to mean blessings. God is liberal with His blessings but, does not believe in liberalism as practiced by men. That is because under the man endorsed system, man is god and gets to decide what is best for all other men. Any time men decide they know better than God how to run things, God, when he’s being patient, lets them fall on their faces. When His patience is up, He wipes them out. Don’t even start on that being somehow “unjust” either. Guess what, He has all legal right to destroy the whole earth any time He wants. That includes you, you heathen. So, repent and turn to Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to salvaltion. You just might survive the nest five years (or less).

    • truth

      Your all idiots. Arguing over variations of the scriptures in hopes that Christianity will ring true and your point will be made. If there is a god, he’s ashamed of everyone, believers, non-believers, Christians and Muslims alike. Acting as if your interpretation of Jesus’s teachings will potentially revere a socialistic stance is as if saying he would, or any god for that matter, sympathize with a political party or governmental rule of any kind…you don’t know, and you never will.

    • Willie

      God does not show favortism as some think, The rain on the Just and unjust shows that God takes responsibility for His creation. He also judges His creation : earthquakes , floods, Hurricanes etc. These are warnings. As to the fact that many Lives are lost in these events.Hebrews 9:27 says ” it is appointed unto man Once to die and after this the Judgement.

    • daves

      Do low tax activists think they know better than God?

    • Robert

      This is correct. Jesus never got involved with any of the political system. When challenged he said” render to Caesar the things that are Cesar’s and to God the things that are God’s”. Jesus, being a third of the Godhead, could do anything he pleased. But during His life on earth he said he was doing what the Father had instructed him. His kindness feeding the 5,000 and the 3,000 was pure Godly compassion. He created us and He could just as well destroy us. He has the right. At the judgment described in Revelation all will understand what God is all about but for some, who have rejected Christ, it will be too late and they will spend eternity in Hell, a place very seldom mentioned in this day and age. Jesus spoke about it more than He did heaven.

    • daves

      Robert – you should check this out.

    • AuntieCoosa

      The Rain Falls On The Just And The Unjust Fella …
      But Mostly On The Just Because The Unjust Steals His Umbrella.

    • Evermyrtle

      Keven, why is JESUS so insulting? Is it because HE always tells the truth? Truth is sometimes hard to swallow when we are the ones in the wrong. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, OUR SAVIOR, never wrong, never boring, never insulting, HE just tells the truth as it is. GOD will say to some, “Get behind me I never knew you.To others HE will say, You are a good servant, one of mine. We need to prepare to meet HIM and get the message HE will give us, because it is coming weather we are ready or not.

    • Jeffrey

      Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime, BUT, you best own the pond!!

    • tod

      I’ve been legally dead twice,and boy are you in for a surprise.I’ll say a pray for you,because your going need all the prayers you can get,and a lot more.I really feel sorry for you,your so,so lost.(

    • Evermyrtle

      GOD does not put any kind o limit on helping each other. If someone needs help, rich or poor, young or old JESUS expects to provide that help if we are able to. HE blesses us every day in numberless ways. Most of the time we don’t deserve it and that is the way we are supposed to live in this world that HE gave us.This is not socialism this is brotherly love.

    • joe american

      well since you agree that those who help themselves are blessed by G-d, I will gladly take what I want from you!!!

      if not freely, then by force of arms or deceit.

      Now what do you think?

    • David

      The equivalent of this statement is made when Paul was forced to say, when some people who were being helped by Christian charity refused to to their part in the effort, “those who do not work do not eat.” Socialism sounds good to the non-thinkers of the world who naively think that there is something for nothing when, in a Socialistic setting, you actually pay a lot, for nothing in return!!

    • Travis

      Or get alot for nothing.

    • Roger Lee

      It says “NO WORKIE NO EATIE”

    • Evermyrtle

      You are right. If we are able to work and a job is available and we refuse to take the job and expect try to bum off of others, we do not deserve help. That is what Paul meant. I think that is excellent thinking.

    • Alice Maxwell

      Socialists will always trot out the argument that Christ was one of them because that is the argument Marx and Engles, the Asburys and the Wesleys taught to all the workers in Engels’ new steam driven looming operations in England when they started their new system. The Method (Methodists get their name from it) was a deliberate piggy back on Christ with full intention to jettison him when it got going since he was useful baggage for the initial journey into body politics but too much of a moral anchor for their ultimate purpose. Almost all who joined in the 19th Century believed it, however the 20th Century began the jettisoning, replaced by the commie cry that religion is an opiate!

      Unfortunately for christianity, there are many pastors who still follow the benign socialist beliefs of the 19th Century and the hardline Socialists use them as a screen as they press their real agenda! The Catholic Church has destroyed itself with its acceptance of it and many protestant churches too. They have allowed government to take over charity from them and even their schools.

      There is a light at the end of the tunnel though. While the stupid cry out “down with capitalism”, the money they depend upon to feed their frenzy is drying up and everyone is scratching heads as they try to find a new sponsor. What they are seeing come upon them is the death of socialism since they have become so social they have forgotten how to work, even feed themselves. For this condition, the Bible has many verses and they rain despair upon them …God’s wrath for following false idols!

    • Leo

      God does not help those who help themselves, God helps the helpless. People who help themselves are not trusting in God, they only trust themselves.

    • Irish Lass CA

      God helps anyone who call on the name of the Lord. To those who believe that Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten son of God, God in the Flesh.

      He says do not worry about what you shall eat, or what you shall wear. God knows your needs and will provide all that you need to accomplish his purpose. He does not promise to give you everything you want. What does he want you to do? A new command I give you, love one another, as I have loved you, so you much love one another. By this all men will know you are my disciples if you love one another. Gospel of John.

      Paul instructs Timothy about caring for family – If a woman who is a believer has relatives who are widows, she must take care of them and not put the responsibility on the church. Then the church can care for the widows who are truly alone. 1 Timothy 5:16

      Gospel of Luke – But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
      Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. Luke 19

      Jesus did not tell him to that he had to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor.

      The rich young ruler who came to Jesus and asked what he needed to do to have eternal life, stating he had kept all of the commandments or in other words he had lived a perfect life, so he deserved to have eternal life and he expected Jesus to confirm this. Instead God tells him the one thing that he loves more than God and then he will have eternal life. Before the death and resurrection of Christ, the Jews were commanded to keep all of the commandments of Moses. So this rich young ruler was still looking at achieving eternal life by keeping the law. But once Jesus died and rose from the dead a new Covenant was established not just with the Jews, but also with the Gentiles. No longer did you need to try to achieve eternal life through being perfect, rather Grace was established. Jesus paid the price, death, on our behalf. He paid the debt. He was the perfect sacrifice. This opened the way for the world to have a personal relationship with God.

      First he calls us his friend, and later Jesus calls all believers his family – his mothers, sisters and brothers. He did not mention a father, because there is one Father and that is the Eternal Elohim = I AM WHO I AM.

    • Evermyrtle

      Irrational thinking.I have always been able to work and make a living. I have never been in severe need. I give GOD credit for all that I have and am able to do. He helps us every day that we live. There is no way we can get along, rich or poor, sick or well without the help of GOD.

    • Mary S

      I will have say that Ben Franklin was wrong in that statement. There is no where in the Bible that teaches that. There are thousands and thousands of verses that teach we are to go to God for help in every aspect of our life. II Tim 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and discipline.
      I Peter 5:7 casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.
      Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD, “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD.
      Isaiah 40:29 He gives strength to the weary, And to him who lacks might He increases power.
      Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him; And He will make your paths straight.

    • Peter S. Chamberlain

      Respectfully, Benjamin Franklin was not wrong, if he coined that statement, but you are. There is no contradiction between Franklin’s statement and any of the Scriptures you have quoted to prove him wrong.

    • Mary S

      Then, Peter, you do not understand what the Bible teaches. We are to depend on God, He doesn’t depend on us nor are we to depend on ourselves. That is humanism or also known as human viewpoint not divine viewpoint. We are to live the way God says to live from His Word not the way we think we are to live.
      Psalm 31:3 For You are my rock and my fortress; for Your name’s sake You will lead me and guide me.
      Job 5:20 In famine He will redeem you from death, and in war from the power of the sword.
      Psalm 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation, my stronghold; I shall not be greatly shaken.

    • Harry

      To say GOD helps those that help themselves is in itself an old liberalistic saying. In truth GOD helps those that put HIM first. Then makes what they have left sufficient for their needs.

    • Dean Bartlett

      No a simple answer is that he came to save man
      not any state.

    • Scott C TX

      He does favor Isreal, like it or not they are His chosen people.

    • Edy

      You are another sucker if you believe this!! You need to do a LOT more study about God’s Chosen people and the state of Israel. Start with the Jewish websites that oppose Zionism! Google it and get smart! This is written by a “true Jew”.

    • handyman

      You are right Scott, the Jews are his chosen people, and Christ is a Jew!

    • Sharon

      The Jews were God’s chosen people but they rejected HIM! They do not believe that the Messiah (Jesus) has come yet. Everyone who believes in Jesus is one of His and will be saved!

    • tandee

      The children of Israel (Jacob) known as the chosen people, are more than just the Jews. Jews refer to those in Jerusalem, mostly descended from Judah, as was Christ. Jacob, renamed Israel, however, had 12 sons, whose descendents are now in various places in the world. That is why Christ told his disciples in Jerusalem, “Other sheep have I which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd”

      “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”

    • shirley

      Handyman: It is true that once upon a time the Jews were God’s chosen people but they sinned to the degree that God gave them up. Jesus at the start of His ministry came to the Jews first to preach to them but they did not want to hear Him. Eventually they are the ones who killed Him. Today God’s chosen are those who believe on Jesus and obey His will. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. He died for all men. There is no partiality with God. Matt. 18:11 Act. 10: 34, 35 Matt. 10: 1-15 John 3: 13-21 Matt. 13: 53-58.

    • shirley

      Scott: Once upon a time God’s chosen people were the Jews but they sinned to the extent that He gave them up. Today God’s chosen are those who believe on His son Jesus Christ and obey His word.Jesus at the start of His ministry came to the Jews but they did not want to hear Him and eventually killed Him. There is no partiality with God and Jesus. He came to seek and save the lost. He died for all men. Matt. 10: 1-15 Matt. 18: 11 John 3: 13-21 Act. 10: 34, 35.

    • Travis

      God helps those who help themselves. Socialism supports those who don’t support themselves.

    • Ron

      Please show me Book, Chapter and verse for your statement.

    • FlaJim

      For the first sentence, it came from Benjamin Franklin. For the second, see the current condition of the PIIGS in Europe.

    • handyman

      Read the Book!

    • http://Don'thaveone Gramma

      I have read The Book five times and that statement is not in there. The Jews were His chosen people. Not anymore, the followers of Jesus is His chosen, the Remnant, the Bride of Christ. That’s who He is coming back for, His Bride. He said the way to life is narrow, but the way to destruction is wide. Which one will you choose.

    • Evermyrtle

      Read the Bible, especially Proverbs, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel, all of the New Testament. If you pay attention to what it s saying you will see that all of Jacob’s, (later GOD told Jacob he would be ‘Israel’) descendants would be considered Jews. Anyone and everyone from other nations would be accepted in the fold, if they served GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. I agree with handyman, he is correct!

    • El Lobo Solo

      @ Gramma:

      And God said to Abraham,
      “I will bless those who bless you & I will curse those who curse you”.

    • Willie

      Socialism is not a supporter of anyone but those in power and that with the peoples money.Socialism does not support it steals robs or however you care to say it,but doles out according to how the Big wigs think it shoud be.Christ showed us a generous and forgiving nature with Mercy, but onlyHe has the Power to save the sinner.Which we All are and He says ” IAm the way the Truth and the Life , no one comes to the Father but by Me” referring to Himself. Blessed Be His Name

    • Jesussaid Love

      I wonder if the writer really understands what “Socialist” means, because that would be necessary for an understanding of Jesus’s political belief’s if he had any. It could mean that all wealth should get equally distributed to all citizens regardless of what they did, but no political system, even the USSR (which was Communist, as well as Socialist) never did anything like that. They had a political elite, and party favorites who got the lions share, kind of like our country now.
      However if Socialist means”We the People” and implies a mutual responsibility towards our fellow citizens (even giving an occasional cash hand up to those in need) and paying more when you are able to take more from your society, I think he was a Socialist. He showed mercy and generosity, by example he existed off of handouts and didn’t work. He fed a wedding party when the bride and groom messed up with the caterer.

    • Willie

      The Lord Jesus Christ was not a Politician !!! He is GOD ,read johns Gospel Chapter one vs 1-14 where we see Him as Creator and made flesh at His Birth by the Holy Spirit. He is the Sovereign ofthe Universe and His Word is Law. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saver”, YES I’m a Bible thumper !!

    • salcliff

      That is the stupidist thing I have ever heard anyone say. You apparently have no clue who Jesus Christ is or what he stands for. Maybe you need to take a Bible and read it instead of spouting off at the mouth.

    • daves

      “But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ WILL BE SENT to fiery hell.”
      ~ Matthew 5:22

    • Evermyrtle

      Actually, Matt.5:22 says But I say unto you,That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. You need to reed the “without a cause” into the verse. You destroy the meaning.

    • Mary S

      Matthew 5:21-22 (From my Bible notes taught by my pastor)
      21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ [6th Commandment – Ex 20:13] and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court [capital punishment].’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry [hostile hatred or enraged because your pride is hurt; mental attitude sins = murder (Prov 6)] with his brother shall be guilty before the court [justice – divine discipline]; and whoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca,’ [profanity; like “you SOB”] shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool,’ [imbecile] shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. [Unbeliever discrediting a believer witnessing for Christ]
      We are to interpret the Bible in the time that it was written. During this time people were trying to be saved by the Mosaic Law; so Jesus Christ had to shock them out of their legalism by comparing mental attitude sins (hate / anger) to murder.

    • Evermyrtle


      apparently you need to read the Bible again if you did not the truth the first time around because that is the truth.

    • http://ThePatriotUpdate notassmartastherestofyou

      Socialism doesn’t mean “We the People” it means “We the Government”

    • FlaJim

      Jesussaid, you’re surprisingly ignorant. Socialism is a government system that redistributes wealth based on what are considered favored groups. Charity, which Jesus practiced, was the giving of one individual to others of his own volition. Big difference.

      Furthermore, the USSR DID originally try to pay everyone the same amount, regardless of work skills or knowledge but changed its mind after discovering that they’d turned the nation into a vast collection of clock watchers who weren’t particularly motivated (much like unionized employees today).

    • Jim A

      A lot of them turned to alcohol, too.

    • Jim A

      No he didn’t. He created wine out of water – his first public miracle. And he did feed the multitudes, but it was His own free giving of his own loaves and fish. He didn’t shake down the general populace to get them.

    • Evermyrtle

      You are very confused!!!

    • El Lobo Solo

      IF Jesus were a Liberal, at the marriage feast of Cana, he would have turned the water into coffee latte.

    • Barry MaCaukiner

      Jesus didn’t work? Where is that found in the Scriptures?

      Jeusus worked as a carpenter. He earned an income. He came as God to earth in the form of a man, and existed in a human body, and as a true example to others, he toiled and earned. He did NOT live off of handouts.

      What an idiot for stating such blatant stupidity.

    • drm

      Jesus taught charity, and you didn’t understand the article at all if you think socialism is the same thing. So sad, I thought in black and white the difference was exceptionally plain between the two and you brushed over it.

    • Jesussaid Love

      Rev Jesse Jackson once said “the flag is not made of wool to be pulled over our eyes” and I think this applies here. You can use all of the words you want, Socialist, Liberal, Communist, what ever but you are trying to say that Jesus is on your side and against others. I thought God was the final judge of right and wrong? Saying he is on your side is an excuse whose only purpose is to dehumanize your opponent and justify your injustice towards him.
      Jesus, when confronted by a tax question answered “render unto Ceasar that which is Caesar’s” so if you feel that not paying your taxes put’s God on your side, you may be on shaky ground.

    • El Lobo Solo

      “Lets not hope that God is on our side, let us hope that we are on God’s side”.
      Abraham Lincoln

    • Texas Patriot

      You don’t really want to be taken seriously, do you? Your grammar and spelling shout out “IGNORANT” far more than whatever meaning, if any, one can decipher from your words. Are you attending a public junior high school by chance?

    • TooToo

      Looks like you missed your calling in life. You should have been an English/Spelling teacher. You’re cut out for the job! Ooops, perhaps that IS your JOB??

    • EdinNola

      You really do like to insult people, don’t you. And what is this love affair you apparently have with the word IGNORANT? Your new word for the week or what?

    • d smith

      except teach a man to fish is a Chinese Proverb not from Peter, it is true Jesus was in favor of people reaching out to each other with helping hand, not taking from workers to give to those who won’t work. He reformed tax collectors before making them official disciples. He did tell the super rich it was not enough to obey the commandments but to give up all love of material treasures to follow Christ, that is the requirement to get the Kingdom of Heaven.

    • budman

      nvrpc: Spoken out of ignorance. Try reading what the Socialist Doctrine is and then make the remark you just made.

      Socialism is about control of the masses and any charity involved would be whatever they decided it would be, not ones individual right to same. Socialism thrives where the have nots want what the haves have but are not willing to earn it.

    • Irish Lass CA

      I Spoke to one man who recently sneaked out of Cuba to South America. In communist – socialist Cuba, you are allowed two shirts and one pair of pants. You make very little money unless you are in favor with the leaders in Government. There is nothing in Cuba, no products for the people, only that which is produced and shipped to other countries. These young people who are OWS have no clue what they are asking for.

    • budman

      I lived in Naples, Italy when it was allegedly 70 per cent Communist among the population but it sure appeared that these Communists were actively practicing Capitalism. Other examples are how China is now ruling with an iron fist but practicing Capitalism. Cuba is a carryover of the old Russia but there are signs of change coming.

    • Carolyn

      Well, the news is we are already a socialistic marxist nation.

    • Sam

      You dumb ass …

    • Jonathan Gartner

      Franklin said that. Christ came to secure our salvation with his blood. He did not dismiss the law of Moses which most liberal tremble at because of its deliberate condemnation of homosexuality and general stupidity which they are guilty of.

    • JoJo

      How do you figure THAT? If someone was “helping themselves”, they would be working and paying their own way. Unless, of course, you’re talking about people “helping themselves” to other people’s money and other personal property. That’s socialism and that’s theft committed by the government.

    • LadyLiberty

      No FN way!! If you help yourself you are a republican.

    • Evermyrtle

      I do not assume nvpc is saying that GOD said that but GOD expects us to help ourselves and not depend the government or somebody to do everything for us. If this is what he is saying I agree 100%. So many people refuse to work for a living.Generation after generation in some families are living off of the government. I call this very ungodly.

    • Alisa Pence

      I had a co-worker that compared Jesus to Obama and called Jesus a socialist. I told him that everything Jesus did was out of the goodness of his heart and did not expect anything in return unlike the socialist he expects to get paid for his good deeds.
      Socialist are only out for no#1 – Jesus wants to help everyone and will always be there for you no matter what!!!!

    • Fort Worth Yankee

      To all the liberal idiots who see fit to comment on what Jesus was, or was not, why do you even bring this up? According to you liberals, Jesus was a no body. You don’t even believe in him, or God.

      Do you libs even know the difference between Jesus and God? I’d tell you, but you are to stupid to comprehend it.

      Jesus was about as far as you can get from being a socialist, nor was he a bureaucrat (he would never be either). Jesus was apolitical. He had no political agenda, he had only love in his heart for his fellow man (Jesus was actually more than a normal man, until after he had risen). Jesus could perform mericals no socialist or bureaucrat could even comprehend. He even healed the sick and crippled. He didn’t need Obamacare.

    • John

      Jesus did not occupy Himself with earthly dilemmas of any kind.

      Jesus was God in the flesh(John 1:1-3,14)whose focus was to direct the Israelis to God the Father, who is a Spirit(John 4:24)and to worship God through Him as the one way to live eternally with them(Romans 10:9-10).

      Although Jesus turned no one away; everything else was secondary to this one mission.

    • Mary S

      Right, John, and Jesus didn’t heal everyone nor did He take away suffering nor did He feed all of Judea. He did not even rescue them from the Romans. He taught them how to live in the world even though we as believers are not OF this world. Our home is heaven; with Him throughout eternity. Our destiny. He taught that we should work, pay taxes, give what we can to support His work and glorify God by the way we live. He is our prototype for living the Christian way of life. He depended on the sustaining ministry of the Holy Spirit and we are to do the same.
      Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

    • Peter S. Chamberlain

      You will, of course, search the Bible in vain for “God helps those who help themselves,” because the quotation isn’t there. Somebody told me it can be found in the Quoran. Jesus was no Socialist. As one unsuccessful Presidential candidate with whom I sometimes agreed and sometimes disagreed aptly put it, Jesus was smart enough never to join a political party or to run for office in Texas or anywhere else.
      You really do have to work at it to come up with a -86 rating.

    • Jeff

      Teach a man to fish ( give him money ) it will feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish ( work for money ) he can eat for a life time. I think this was true of Christ. Because he couldn’t do it all for the person.

    • Lonnie

      I looked up 1 Peter 1:7 for the quote: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.

      It’s not there. What is the source? This is driving me nuts. Can’t find it in 1 or 2 Peter. Nor from Yahoo nor Google.

      Anyway, Jesus was not a socialist. All the scriptures uphold responsibility to take care of yourself so you can assist others when they need it.

      There is a difference between charity and stealing (8th Commandment). Helping others benefits the giver as well as the recipient. Stealing (wealth redistribution) victimizes and enslaves the giver and makes the recipient depndent upon a 3rd party (politician)and an accessory to theft.

  • The Enemy

    Jesus was driven by compassion for his fellow Man. Liberal/socialists are driven by evil desires for more wealth and power for themselves. They accomplish this by giving the People more and more government handouts, enslaving them to government. I am old enough to have witnessed the progression of this induced dependency on the government by the People. I first recognized it in the 1970’s and I coined this phrase: “The government is protecting us to death”

    • Jeff

      Thanks for posting the incoherent rant.

    • Doug Sorensen

      I don’t believe “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.” is from 1 Peter 1:7. Does anyone have the correct reference?

    • daves

      In many places, the Bible teaches that wealth is bad. Here is one example:

      Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, living in luxury every day. A certain beggar, named Lazarus, was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table. Yes, even the dogs came and licked his sores. It happened that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried. In Hades, he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his bosom. He cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame.”

      But Abraham said, “Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and Lazarus, in the same way, bad things. But now here he is comforted and you are in anguish. Besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that those who want to pass from here to you are not able, and that none may cross over from there to us.”
      – Luke 16:19–31

    • FlaJim

      That parable says nothing about wealth being bad. It’s a story illustrating that we must be charitable as individuals.

      The rich man wasn’t condemned because he was rich. He was condemned because he had no compassion.

    • daves

      How do you get that? It says nothing about charity or compassion. It never says he wouldn’t or didn’t give anything to Lazarus.

      Then there is also the verse that it is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven.

    • El Lobo Solo

      You are describing an IRS audit.

    • Thinking gal

      FlaJim…..The young man turned away sad; nowhere does it say Jesus condemned him but did say to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

      To me, this shows a sweet/sad love for the young man. The young man didn’t sin; he ‘just’ didn’t take the next step. Do any of us take that next step ALL of the time in all circumstances?

    • Jonathan Gartner

      It is not wealth it is greed or the love of money before God. There are many good rich Christians that live the right life that of obedience to God

    • daves

      “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-24

      Parallel versions appear in Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25.

      The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

    • Jim A

      No, it teaches that a love of wealth over everyone and everything else, especially over God is bad. Too much attachment to wealth is bad, which is why that rich man was told to sell all he had. The story underscores it by describing his reaction to hearing that from Christ. There are wealthy people in the new testament who are not condemned for being weathly such as the man who provided a tomb for Jesus after His crucifiction. Nice try – almost.

    • El Lobo Solo

      If Jesus were a Liberal, he would have made Lazarus pay his estate tax (death tax) first before resurrecting him. Then, send him back to the graveyard to register the dead as Democrats for election day.

    • El Lobo Solo

      In the parable of the 3 servants & the talants. If Jesus were a Liberal, he would have “confiscated & redistributed” the talants that the other servants wisely invested & give them to the foolish servant who buried his talant for fear of taking a risk with it.

    • El Lobo Solo

      It was a rich man that made a tomb available for Jesus. Matt. 27:57-61

  • Pudbert_Savannah GA

    H3ll no he wasn’t a socialist !

    If he was, he’d have made his fishermen work their tails off every day and then FORCE them to ENABLE POOR BEHAVIOR by GIVING all of their fish away (or a very large portion so as to not be called greedy) to societal leeches…

    Oh yea, remember the saying:
    GIVE a leech a fish and he’ll eat for a day.
    TEACH them to fish themselves and they run to vote for ODumbo the socialist !

    • Jim

      If you teach them to fish they will understand that they don’t need Obama and the socialists

  • Dave Williamson

    I recognized this idiocy for what it was when the hippies and druggies first declared it in that era. My pastor, beginning in the mid-80s, trashed it in extreme detail. It is the voice of Satan doing what he does best: LIE! And the idiots of THIS generation are still buying into their own damnation.

  • Eric Burrow

    To be a Christian is to be a true conservative. Whatever limitations or responsibilities I put on myself as a Christian I would in no way expect the same from anyone. Everyone is an individual and has God given rights to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Jesus loves us all but does not force himself on anyone. Totally not socialist

  • Spiderman

    Jesus was in no way a socialist. Nothing in the Holy Bible would even suggest that he was. He taught to share voluntarily with those in need – if it were in your heart to do so – but ALWAYS voluntarily. HE said “he who doesn’t work, doesn’t eat.” God helping those who help themselves is nowhere in the Bible.

  • CT

    Reasonable article which I mostly agree with. However, you should check your original sources and get them straight. 1Peter 1:7 has nothing to do with fish. You will not find that statement anywhere in the Bible.

  • Iowaboy1977

    Better read 1 Peter 1:7 again…

  • Patrick Henry

    Jesus expects us to use the tallents God gave us. He told Mary Magdellan she was forgiven and to sin no more, NOT “hey, that’s ok, the Government will take care of you.” Besides, God’s Laws are different than man’s laws, and because He is perfect & our Creator, His Kingdom will be just.

    • Gregg Pellegrino

      What makes you think it was Mary Magdeline who was mentioned in the beginning of John chapter 8? It was written that Mary of Magdeline had 7 evil spirits cast out of her. It was never written that she was the one accused of adultry… go back & look, I think you’ll find this to be true.

      Your brother in Christ,


    • Mary S

      Gregg, also in Luke 8:1-3
      Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him, 2 and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means.

  • Victor Barney

    Just wanted to add the “Hebrew” is the ONLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE, NOT GREEK, LATIN, OR EVEN ENGLISH! p.s. Pope Leo the 10th in 1520 AD asked his philosopher, Petrus Galtinus, to change the Jewish Messiah’s name into a Name that honored “Zeus,” the highest Greek Deity because it was the custom of “Rome” to honor the highest Deities of those that they had defeated! Will it matter? According to the Scriptures, it sure will! Watch!

    • Fr. Chris Hoffmann

      If it is true that Hebrew is the only inspired language then it would also be true that none of Paul’s writings would be inspired. Neither would the Acts of the Apostles and the Book of Revelation. All of these were written originally in Greek. God knows the human heart and can communicate with us in any language.

    • Scott C TX

      You are so wrong! An angel came to Mary in a dream and told her that His name shall be Jesus. Jesus was a very common name during that time, much like John, Mike, or Larry is today.

    • James

      I disagree. The New Testament written in Greek and aramaic, is equally inspired. It is also in complete harmony with the old testament. 1st Peter 1:7 says: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

    • Irish Lass CA


    • FlaJim

      Victor, what on earth are you talking about? Did you over medicate again?

    • Jonathan Gartner

      May you forgot Aramaic that Christ spoke to the masses in

  • JB


  • Barry MaCaukiner

    “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.” is a Chinese proverb.
    While that quote speaks truth to life experience and self-responsibility, and while I agree with everything in your husband’s Facebook post in response to his friend’s ignorant post about Jesus being Socialist, the ‘fish’ quote simply is NOT found in the Bible.
    Please check your references before posting such a regrettable mistake — notably, a Bible verse that does not exist.

  • Harry

    There was one fact left out of what was posted. Jesus didn’t feed the masses. He only fed those that came to Him. There were millions of people in the area He traveled in that never received a crumb from him. Because they did not come to Him.

  • Doug

    “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life” is not from the Bible. 1 Pet. 1:7 says, “These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.”

  • Scott C TX

    It is written in the Bible that if a man does not work he does not eat. Socialists take from those who work to feed those that are too lazy to work. When Martha poured the perfume over Jesus head and one of the disciples said what a waste of expensive perfume that was. The disciple said that bottle of perfume could be sold for a year’s salary and given to the poor for food. Jesus told the disciple to be quiet, the poor would always be amongst us but she was preparing Him for burial. Not only does Jesus (God) expect us to work, He does not make any provision for retirement. But he does tell us to tend to the orphans and the widows. There is no mention of tending to old men. Men are meant to work. The ONLY welfare in the Bible is for orphans and widows. All others in need are tended to by their families. This can be tough, but that is the way it should be.

    • Kenneth Buchanan

      Scott C. Agree with most of what you say. To clarify. The welfare for orphans and widows was not to come from the government though. The people were expected to take care of them via charity.

    • Kalev

      Amen Scott, well stated.

    • daves

      Heaven forbid that we as a society come together to help the less fortunate.

    • Randy

      I do not have a problem with society coming together in a private forum or group to help or aid those in need. I do have a problem with Government forcibly taking from those who work hard to provide for those who do not. The Constitution does not provide for this power that the Federal Government has taken unto itself. This is one of the responsibilities of the Citizens to fulfill, not the Government.

    • Jim A

      Save the attempt at sanctimonious claptrap. That isn’t what this is really about and we all know it.

    • Christian Archer

      I gather from your comment that you have no problem with the state usurping the authority of the Church and pushing it aside as an insignificant entity in society.

    • daves


    • Christian Archer

      The care for the widows and orphans in the Bible is not welfare because welfare comes from taxes gathered from a government and then redistributed to the populace. Caring for the widows and orphans is what James (the half-brother of Jesus) said is “pure and undefiled religion.” Pure and undefiled religion is not an act that a state would do, but rather something a believer in Jesus Christ would do.



    • http://ThePatriotUpdate notassmartastherestofyou

      Stop typing in caps. Its annoying and makes you look like you’re ranting, and its more difficult to read.

    • Evermyrtle

      We even like to tell other people how to write, mercy meo.

    • Carolyn

      Ann-Marie, I agree with your article about liberal thinking but I do not agree when it comes to putting Christ in it at all. Christ calls all peoples to love one another and help one another. He never said the rich has to hand over their goods to the poor. He only encouraged them to feel compassion for the poor and love them as they love themselves. In this manner, they would be quite willing to help the less fortunate. Debates about what he would do is meaningless. Too many Christian haters on this blog.

    • MrInterpid

      I agree with “notassmart” undo your caps lock and the word is senSe not sence.

  • John Barlow

    Well while it is unknown what jesus actually was his Apostles were and you don’t have to go far to see this. Look at how the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Ethiopian and Coptic churches are set up. The first Socialist experiment was the Jerusalem christian slums the Paul was always collecting money for as he went around preaching. But then thats one of the reasons I’m Gnostic Deist.

  • bill fabian

    FYI…Teach a man to fish etc…is not found in Holy scripture and certainly not 1 Peter 1:7, which states “so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” If you’re going to quote the Bible, get it right.

  • 1minuteman

    if jesus was a socialist the left would not have spent so much time and energy to get rid of christianity from our country over the years. people are being fired for saying a prayer at work and stores are saying happy holidays instead of merry christmas for fear of being sued. it is time america fought back.

    • Scott C TX

      We can fight with gentle kindness, tender heartedness, love, and compassion. It is our duty as Christians to greet with the words Merry Christmas. The term Happy Holidays actually comes from the idea of Happy Holy Days, which references Hannikah and Christmas. The expression Happy Holidays is not offensive at all.

    • Willie

      Check the Encyclopedia on christmas. It origionated with pagans and was brought in by roman catholicism. The date appears wrong Because the “shepards were in the Fields with their sheep, which in winter months are kept in pens in the city limits,to protect them from the wolves etcduring the rainy,snowy season. Jeremiah 10 warns not to observe the ways of the heathen. read v-1-10

    • Flora

      Hey Willie – I’m pretty sure winter is during a different time of year in that part of the world

    • Gregg Pellegrino

      No it’s NOT, because Israel is NOT south of the equator… look it up please, before commenting!

    • Jonathan Gartner

      Yes Christ Jesus was probably born either in the spring or the early fall. What is important is the rememberance of his birth and acknowledging who he was and why he came the rest is liberal slight of hand. It was early usage of other “known” dates eliminating them by making them into Christian Holidays.

    • Evermyrtle

      Willie that was not Christmas but the day was a heathen holiday before it was chosen for Christmas. Christmas was always to honor JESUS CHRIST.

    • Thinking gal

      Willie…Not to insult, but a few comments. The Church (one at that time) was attempting to counteract pagan customs, one of which was in December. It was an arbitrary date for Christ’s birth. We even now don’t know the exact date (or, for that matter, year) of the Lord’s birth.

      I’ve been fortunate to have been to Israel and it’s a hot, muggy climate with very little rain and snow. I assume it was the same in gospel times. Shepherds would take their flock away from cities so they could feed on open,grassy land. As I’ve just learned from a book I’m reading, the shepherds would create a low-slung enclosure, call the sheep, and when all in, lay down in the one and only opening with his rod and staff handy to thwart any wild animals. I found this a lovely way to explain the Good Shepherd’s caring for us, his flock of souls.

      And on the Socialist question…Jesus came to preach about His Father, not socialism, or any other ‘ism’.

    • FlaJim

      Scott, Hannukah is a ‘celebration’ of a failed Jewish uprising against the Greeks about two and a half centuries before the birth of Christ and hardly rates equal billing with the birth of Him.

      ‘Happy Holidays’ is just another way of secularizing our observance of Christmas and I find it very offensive, always correcting people to recognize the ‘reason for the season.’

    • Gregg Pellegrino

      No… if you’ve read the Maccabees from the Apocropha (part of the Scriptures that are not considered inspired, but can be found in the Septuigent and in the R. Catholic Bible, as well as the very early King James Bibles) you will find that it WAS a successful Jewish uprising. The reason for the Menorah, the candle-holder with 7 candles is because they had to cleanse the Temple for 7 days! Read it, & then comment back!

    • Jonathan Gartner

      Yes I believe the Jews only had so much oil and it lasted much longer therefore the blessing of God upon them

    • Christian Archer

      Then Mr. Scott, let’s be politically incorrect and say to people, “Happy Holy Days.”

    • Willie

      Show a little respect for the Lord? at least capitalise His Name as you do your own. He is God you Know?

    • iosnsa

      Stop typing in only lowercase. Its annoying and makes you look like you’re to lazy to use the Shift key, and its more difficult to read.

  • http://ThePatriotUpdate notassmartastherestofyou

    “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.” This is not a quote from the Book of Peter. I would have enjoyed this article much more if the author and the quoted knew what the hell she and he were talking about.

    • Gregg Pellegrino

      True… I also checked out the reference the the author quoted. 1 Peter 1:7 reads “That the genuieneness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor and glory at of the revelation of Jesus Christ”! The quote about “feed a man a fish”, I believe, that comes from Benjamin Franklin, which has been said multiple times already in this string of comments!

  • Jstarusa

    Now if a remark like the above was concerning Mohammed, the poster would be in a heap of trouble! But Christians are expected to turn the other cheek! We might have to turn the other cheek, but it doesnt mean to not stand up for our beliefs!

  • Janet

    Trustworthy answer from Scripture=Is.9:6 and the government will be upon His shoulders. Our problem is we have forgotten/never knew the definition of ‘GOVERNMENT’. Webster defined it as entitlement to rule. If we don’t rule ourselves, it escalates to local authority, then state, then federal. Simple example is disobeying a traffic law = speed possible ticket/fine, etc. Romans 12 starts by telling us to submit to Christ. When we don’t, we rule ourselves (fallible) and it always escalates upwards. When we do submit to Christ – King over ALL, we willingly give to others (charity) to help them not to enslave them.

  • Spiderman

    Jesus was not a socialist. He said that those who don’t work, don’t eat. He always encouraged voluntarily helping others in need, but he never stole from anyone to hand out to another. He couldn’t steal anyway since He was perfect. Don’t know why my first attempt to post was censored – it said the same thing as this.

  • Chris A

    Unfortunately, the blog is incorrect. 1 Peter 1:7 does not reference the “fish” message.

    From Wikipedia: Regrettably, the origin of this quote is unknown, although it is generally cited as being Chinese. Over the years, the quote has been misattributed to Confucius, Lao Tzu, Laozi, and Guan Zhong.

  • RPW

    Jesus was about encouraging the individual to put his total faith in God and his dependance on himself through God. A Socialist is about forcing the individual to put his faith in government and to depend on government. Governments are populated by corrupt men.

    • Willie

      The Lord Jesus came (not to encourge) but to give His Life a ransome for sinners,and to bring the Repentant sinners into Life with Him. See His suffering for sinners (individually) and you will know its not just encouragement but Divine Love that brings this to be. Believe on the Lord Jsus Christ and thou shalt be saved!!”

    • RPW

      Did he not encourage sinners to repent and to come into faith in the lord? He did not force redemption. God offered his son so that those who chose to repent and beleive in him could live. I fail to see how that would not be encouraging to all men.

  • Bruce

    “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life” is not in the Bible. Here’s I Peter 1:7:
    A good argument loses credibility with a misquote.

  • Willie

    How oftem mis-quotes turn peoples lives upside down, The quote from 1Peter is NOT: real words= 1Peter 1:7,”that the triasl of your Faith,being much more precious than gold that perisheth,though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: READ YOUR BIBLE !!the misquote is not found in the Bible.This quote is from the King James Version

  • Texas Lady Juanita

    The reason why capitalism works is because it persuades us all to do our best every day, and to be responsible. The reason why socialism does not work, is because of our sin nature . . . and socialism encourages our sin nature to become the norm. Jesus would definitely be a socialist in eternity – outside of our time – where we will no longer have a sin nature. Not having a sin nature is the only way that socialism would ever work – then there will be no greedy people at the top, or leeches at the bottom. Since we do have our sin nature, we need a system that rewards us for being good – so we will be good. :)

    • Willie

      TLJ there are no politicians or politics in Heaven (THANK GOD)!! Thats the Eternal home of the saved of the Lamb of God where we shall see His Face Rev,22:v-4Christ shall reign eternally, over the Completed Family of God. AMEN .

    • John Patrick Ryan

      No politics in heaven? Yes

      But no POLITICIANS in heaven?!

      Now THAT seems just a bit too presumptiousness, does it not?

      (Assuming, of course, that you were referring to any individual who might have been a politician in his/her earthly life is, by default or definition, disqualified from salvation.)

  • Doubtful Avenger

    There are far simpler messages – Jesus cared only about the individual, and not the collective. You, and you alone, answer for your sins; you, and you alone, decide to accept Him as savior – the fact that many of us do it or do not doesn’t make us a collective. No one else can decide that for me. Socialism doesn’t recognize or respect the individual except as an individually irrelevant part of the collective, like a brick in a wall. See, e.g., “all in all it’s just another brick in the wall.”

    • Scott C TX

      Jesus is the head of the church and we (the believers) are the body of the church. Apart from the body the Head has no value and likewise apart from Jesus the church has no value. Thus, any belief system that does not have Jesus as their Head is lifeless, meaningless, and condemned.

    • Sharon

      You did error in your statement about us accepting Jesus. We cannot accept Jesus because that would make us doing the act of salvation. The Holy Spirit does the work of placing Faith through the sacraments and hearing of the Word.

  • John LoCascio

    Who Knows?????? And besides we cant discuss Jesus the Aclu, Federal Goverment says so.But they block off streets in NY City for the Muslims which is a Jail Bird religion in this country. So they can spread there rugs and pray….Remeber Ohare ! She fought for this and we all know what happened to her. And her Spawn….Good Ridance. another one bites the dust !

  • Cheryl

    Yes we all need to learn Hebrew – it is the language everyone spoke before the Tower of Babel incident when God gave men different languages. King James, the Shakespearean language is not a holy language. Look at Shakespeare himself – he was not a Godly man – but rather a homosexual as his poetry suggests. Also King James was known for his homosexual exploits. Read English history – it’s all there in their history books. King James liked men. So holding up the King James Bible as something from God is a joke. The Christians of that time read the Geneva Bible not the King James Bible.

  • Marie

    Check your I Peter 7 – doesn’t say that.

  • RiverRat 2U

    I recall Brother Karl Marx making the statement in his writings,”If a man will not work he will not eat !” Marx called his brand Scientific Socialism but there was nothing Scientific about it. He distorted his information to conform to his theories which is what the Demmocrats do when meeting the truth.
    Jesus did not espouse any economic system but relationships.

  • Emmentaler Limburger

    1 Peter 1:7 is not “teach a man to fish”. That is not a biblical quote. In any case, you’re spot on. Jesus was not about taking from one by force and distributing to others. Liberals will also point to the “easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven” (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25) as an example of His being a socialist – but, again, Jesus did not DEMAND that the rich man sell all he owns, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow him; he asked. Asking is charity. Demanding on pain of personal harm is socialism. Pointed difference there.

  • marie settle

    Check your scripture 1 Peter: 7 –

  • REF

    Communism is the epitome of EVIL. What nonsense to believe that Jesus condones Evil.
    Democrats who extoll Socialism aka Communism, will have to explain this position to our creator some day !

  • Reddbehrens

    Now I’ve heard it all. The progressives/leftists are getting desperate. They are trying to convince us that Jesus was one of them? This coming from the people who do everything they can to stop any public expression of Christianity? This from the people who publicly disdain Christianity?
    This is just another effort to try to justify forced charity and wealth confiscation.
    Jesus said that God was the highest authority, NOT government.

  • James

    1st Peter 1:7 states: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
    The other quote Give a man a fish….is an old chinese proverb with now biblical basis.

    • Greg

      Was Ann Marie saying Jesus was Chinese?

  • drrgperrin

    I have always admired Jesus.

    • Gregg Pellegrino

      I am NOT a fan of Jesus Christ… I am a committed follower!

    • Christian Archer

      I admire courageous comments like that.

  • Jim

    “Give a Man a Fish,feed him for a day teach a man to fish , and you feed him for a lifetime”

    Very conservative thinking if you ask me

    • Kenneth Buchanan

      This is not in the Bible.

    • http://ThePatriotUpdate notassmartastherestofyou

      Stop attributing that quote to the Bible. Its not a biblical passage.

    • Peter S. Chamberlain

      The quotation makes a lot of sense, but anyone familiar with, or who checked, the Bible would know that it is not there and there is no record of Jesus ever having said it. There are a number of such alleged “Biblical” quotations, along with others attributed to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, etc., that have been perpetuated for years but are fakes,

  • Melanie

    Love the “Odumbo” name!!!!! If welfare and government assistance programs were time locked and a biggggggg hassel to receive, maybe fewer people would attempt the chore. Social Security benifits should be proven. If your kid gets SSI for ADHD, you should have to prove that the $$$ you receive is being used for treatment and not your new car or house payment. NO receipt for services, NO MONEY. Just watch the numbers drop.

  • Lou E. Brown

    Just now found this excellent argument to use when the question is raised, as it seems to be raised most often by liberals and/or atheists. Ann-Marie and Mark make a clear and sensible response to those who ignore their CreatorGod until they decide to try to smear Him again. I would suggest that those who do not like Jesus or God just shut up and go on in their UnGodly world and stop trying to destroy the indestructable. If they leave me alone, I will return the favor..unless I decide to explain God to them.

    • Willie

      Yes Mr, Brown, Christ did Tell His people to go a spread His Gospel allover thje world, Not IF we decided to but at His Command, Matt.28: 16-20 He also said speak the truth in Love.

  • Greg

    1 Peter 1:7

    that the trial of your faith (being much more precious than gold that perisheth, though it be tested with fire) might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ,

    NOT: “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.”

  • skeete

    The thing that always intrigues me is that these “benevolent” liberals spent so much time trying to convince the rest of us that we should be happy with the government taking more for the benefit of the poor among us. If their concern is really for the poor they would be using their energy providing for the poor. I suspect that’s why many of the “evil” conservatives are not involved in the rhetoric. They’re too busy doing what the liberals think the government should do. We were all better off when we depended on each other. Now we just tell ourselves “it’s a government problem, not my problem.”

  • thomas

    Jesus is dead and long gone. Get over it.
    You fools are superstious.Live your own life.

    • http://ThePatriotUpdate notassmartastherestofyou

      thomas is damned.

    • TooToo

      My Jesus lives! Too bad yours doesn’t.

    • robert j. wolfe

      Hey Mr. Thomas, Take 1 second, ready? Now take a deep breath…You did, right? If you are still alive, then so is Jesus…He makes the air you breathe…If he was dead then we all would drop like flies…
      You will have time to debate that with him one day…Good Luck…

    • Jim A

      Another doubting Thomas, just what we needed.

    • El Lobo Solo

      No Thomas!
      Frederick Nietzche & Madelene Murray O’Hare are long dead.

  • dglory

    Had the church remained The Church instead of becoming an institution/corporation run by CEOs, there would have been no lack amongst us. They cared one for another and it would have been known by all who would not work, therefore would not eat. What a concept! Secondly, I don’t know what Bible you are quoting from but my 1 Peter 1:7 says, “that the geniuneness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to priase, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

  • Billy

    Dont’t you mean IS Jesus a Socialist?

  • Billy Bob

    Dont’t you mean IS Jesus a Socialist?

  • Jake

    Attempting to quote from 1 Peter about something that isn’t even in the Bible does very little to demonstrate intelligence for our side. If a conservative quotes the Bible they need to get it right. If a liberal “quotes” the Bible you can be sure they know nothing of the verse itself or the context in which it was written. We need to be better than that!

  • Idylewylde

    Savage Capitalism (Corporate Elitism) or Savage Socialism (Corporate Fascism) .. both are evil.

    American Capitalism, on the other hand, was designed from the first to be a vehicle for upward mobility. American Capitalism is the mechanism responsible for the largest and most prosperous Middle Class in the entire history of the world.

    Only a socialist would complain about that.
    Only a Liberal would dare suggest that Jesus would pick Corporate Fascism over American Capitalism.

    Liberals lie a lot.

    • Willie

      CHrist was not, is not a Politician!! He is in fact the Creator of All things ; Johns Gospel, chapter 1:verses 1-14 He is also the Judge of All things. Quit guessing what He said and read the record inspired by the Holy Spirit, Whom Christ sent to teach us and remind us of all that He said and did.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Right On!

      “Tell truth & shame the Devil”.

  • James

    For the upper 1 percent, it’s easy to understand where Jesus was coming from when He said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.”

    The upper 1 percent are utterly consumed with making money, and they don’t care whom they have to lay off, foreclose upon, or step on in order to do it.

    • Willie

      Percentages are derived from the ways of man, Jesus Christ came into the world to seek and save that which was lost in the fall of Adam. Yes the Word does teach us that “the love of money is the root of All evil.” It does not condemn the use of money in Honest ways.He also said “the poor you have with you always” eg theres alway opportunities to dogood If youlaove your fellow man

    • Lynda

      James, Don’t you think you are being a bit judgmental in saying ALL of the top 1% are just consumed with making more money and don’t care about anyone else? Did you see 20/20 last week on billionaires, hosted by Barbara Walters? They are biggest job providers and they give MILLIONS to charity. They also pay the 45% of the taxes. It isn’t wealth that God hates, but the LOVE of money. A poor beggar on the street can have a LOVE OF MONEY & not care about anyone else.

    • El Lobo Solo

      The upper one percent.

      Like Democrat contributor George Soros obcessed with taking over the world & making it into his idea of Utopia.

    • Evermyrtle

      Some people are consumed with jealousy of people who have worked hard and earned a good living to say nothing about those who have earned more money than they need. If they got it dishonestly they will have to pay the penalty when they get their reward at the end of time. So what is the problem??

  • stevor

    Yes, liberals (we have plenty in Sacramento too, warp everything to their AGENDA. I guess it’s a mental disorder.

  • chaplainjr

    Is anyone picking up on the big error of the article? Nowhere in the bible does it say, “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, etc…” (1 Peter 1:7)- wrong reference!!! While I agree with the article, let’s get our information correct!

    • Ron Alford

      Her premise was right on, you’re being a little too legalistic just as the leaders were of Jesus’ day when they had Him crucified.

  • John Patrick Ryan


    Tsk tsk tsk. While I continue to have a regard for your commentaries in general, I nonetheless feel obliged to second the same point of scriptural correction that several other posters have aleady made here:

    “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life”?!

    1 Peter 1:7 says no such thing!

    Given the behavioral tendencies of the practioners of deceit and personal destruction that comprise our enemies on the Left, we conservatives need to be exceedingly careful in practicing our due diligence in in terms of scholarship and intellectual rigor, do we not?

  • vet4freedom

    OH STOP ! what a stupid question .

    • chaplainjr

      And why would that be?

  • Willie

    Some nice People in here today Hope God Blesses you richly. For those who love to argue and whine spend some time in God s Word, maybe He will bless you also!:-):-)

    • TooToo

      And blessings to you too, Willie.

  • Jorje

    So many Christians, so few followers of Jesus.

  • Russian55

    Socialism is based on the concept that Man is essentially good and will seek the common good.

    Christianity is based on the concept that man is corrupt and can only be redeemed by faith in God.

  • nelson smallenbarger

    god said to make a living sweat of your brow. by sweat of your brow. GOD said you had to make a living by the sweat of your brow./

  • m. sharpe

    Goats and Sheep [Matt.25:31-41] Key word – Gave. Sheep on the right hand,Goats on the left hand. When I was hungry,thirsty,homeless,naked,sick,and imprison;You gave.This is our responsibility and can Not be delegated to another or to govt. 1Sam.8 Socialism is wicked.

  • Rich

    Jesus is anything but a socialist. In fact, He is the Author of Conservatism, advocating personal responsibility.

    • daves

      But he also teaches that personal responsibility is about how you treat others, not about worldly possessions.

    • Evermyrtle

      Rich, you are right, HE only teaches and preaches what GOD gave HIM to teach and preach. HE is the SON OF GOD, HE was co-creator of this world and everything in it. It belongs to HIM and HIS FATHER. What HE says is the “RIGHTEOUS LAW OF GOD” HIS LAW is fair to everybody; Nobody will get punishment that he does not deserve. We will get every blessing that we deserve. We have no right to determine what anything HE says or does is not right or illegal because it all belongs to HIM. HE shares and blesses us every minute of our lives, still we gripe because that is enough. It is never enough.

  • http://e-mail eva

    I AGREE WITH RUBIN GOLDBERG! Besides that whoever writes about or thinks up those dumb questions better lear to swim before the good Lord teaches them a lesson to remind them that HE is still in control!!!

  • Lynda

    If ANN-MARIE MURRELL, the author of this article, wants to be believable, DON’T MAKE UP QUOTES FROM THE BIBLE THAT AREN’T THERE!!! You quote “Give a man a fish & he’ll eat for a day…..” then tag on 1 Peter 1:7. What a JOKE! Do you think we are all blithering idiots?! You come across as the nincompoop when you say something, tag a biblical scripture to it, and then expect us to believe it. PLEASE! QUIT WRITING ON THIS SITE AND WASTING OUR TIME IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE UP LIES! We have enough liars w/o adding another one to this site, The Patriot Update! You make this site look BAD! No wonder liberals laugh at us!! Patriot Update, please be more responsible in scrutinizing your writing contributors!

  • God

    Hi, this is God. My son is a king not a socialist. When he goes back down there to rule, he will rule with the sword with his saints, and they shall rule the world. He will not allow planet worship or idol worship, nor will he allow alternate lifesyles. He will not allow you to sin without penalty, as I have through the years. But now you will see how good the earth can be when sin and death is over come. So obviously he is no liberal. More of a conservative by your descriptions. I have always required everyone to work as I have for six days, then rest on the sabbath. Which you will be required to do. You will have all you need but you must keep my commandments. Not like now. So call him what you will but call him just.

  • Daniel Kinsman

    Jesus is God. He was God in the form of a human being. He left His throne in heaven and in taking a human body He died for our sins to defeat Satan and brings God’s mercy and eternal life

  • AmericansRon2U

    Jesus gave to the poor because he WANTED to, not because the govt. forced him to! That’s the difference between Jesus and socialism. Socialism FORCES you to give what you have earned to those who haven’t earned anything. Charity is centered in the churches in our communities…they are supposed to help the needy NOT the govt.
    Here’s one for the lefties who only quote Scripture when it suits their agenda:

    The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
    An evil soul producing holy witness
    Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
    A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
    O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
    (William Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice

    • El Lobo Solo


      “Tell truth & shame the Devil”

  • GAD

    John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

  • karen

    What Bible is the author using for the quote from 1 Thessalonians? My KJV does not say anything like the quote presented in the article.

  • ruth

    When asked if people should PAY TRIBUTE MONEY TO CAESAR, jESUS SAID, WHOSE IMAGE AND SUPERSCRIPTION is on the coin….
    The answer is, it is Caesar’s image and the superscription identified Caesar as being a god and/or son of god.. God wuld never in a billion years tell his flock to pay tribute money to pagan gods….or men who deemed themselves sons of pagan gods…That was Jesus answer …Then the people who had asked him to trip him up slithered away…They knew what he meant…

  • Randy G

    Has ANYONE noticed that certain people’s comments get hidden but the replys to the comments stay in the open.Let’s keep all thing fair kids.



  • Judy

    I have read the question, “Is Jesus a Conservative?” and now “Is Jesus a Socialist?” How can anyone who is in Jesus even ask that kind of question. Obviously, to ask those questions means that the person asking doesn’t know Jesus. He wasn’t political. He didn’t rob Peter to pay Paul…He is God Incarnate. In the end, these questions won’t even come to mind. What will be asked is “Why did I reject His offer of eternal life with Him?”

  • phere

    Your bible quote(Give a man a fish…blah, blah…), was not from the bible but from the Spanish philosopher Maimonides circa 1135-1204. In case you’re interested, another quote was; Do not consider it proof just because it is written in books, for a liar who will deceive with his tongue will not hesitate to do the same with his pen. Hmmm, kinda’ fits doesn’t it?

  • Stephen

    I have even heard liberals who proclaim to be a Christian state that Jesus was a communist. It shows you how little liberals know about communism to made such a claim.

  • Brian

    Then he said, “Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.” Mark 4:9.

    Then he added, “Pay close attention to what you hear. The closer you listen, the more understanding you will be given—and you will receive even more. To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them.” Mark 4:24-26

    Yes, Jesus did feed multitudes on occasion with literal food, however, one needs to understand that primarily when the Bible speaks of “feeding” it is not necessarily referring to literal food…Bread represents life sustaining truth or in most cases, Jesus himself, along with “living water” also representative of Christ.

    JESUS — “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life…” John 6:35

    TRUTH — “Therefore let us keep the feast…with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
    I Corinthians 5:8

    It saddens me a great deal when I witness folks misinterpreting the actual meaning of scripture and twisting its context to fit their own agenda. Jesus said that the Father is looking for people who will worship him in spirit and in truth…John8:30-32: Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him…Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

  • will irby

    Give a man a fish and feed him for today; teach a man to fish and he will sit and drink beer and fish for the rest of his days.

  • W M Remington

    Excellent post.
    My only quibble is that if you’re going to quote Scripture, please get it right. The message from 2 Thessalonians 3:10 is right on, but 1 Peter 1:7 has nothing to say about “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for life.” I have seen that attributed to “traditional proverb” and “Chinese Proverb”.

  • robert j. wolfe

    Biblical…As many who shall have the desire to do well for himself will not only do well, he will help with Charities out of that desire and his reward grows because he pleases the Lord.
    You cannot do these things if the desire to work has been removed. You will alway’s struggle with life, it’s your choice.

  • Steelman

    I basically agree with your comments but you misquoted 1 Peter 1:7 which says nothing about fishing. In fact that quote is not in the Bible.

  • Jerry

    It is improper to confuse the Lord Jesus with a political ideology of any type. Political ideation is a man-made component, not a Christian one. Why would the Lord Jesus even be concerned, at this point, with the political organization of a nation that has told Him time and again to leave, disregarded and abused His commandments and ridicules and rebukes everything that our Lord has told us? Why should He care? One reason, Jesus loves us, not this nation; He loves us individually. He constantly calls upon us to do the right thing, not to be greedy and, most importantly to accept Him so that our souls might be saved. Try to label our Lord with an earthly philosophy misses the whole point of His coming and message. Jesus is no more a socialist than He is a capitalist; He is God and King of the universe He created. God gave us :”free will” to decide our own meaningless philosophies but this does not mean that He participates or endorses any of them. He calls upon us to be righteous, to be separate and apart, from this evil world. What we choose to do with His teachings in the Holy Bible is up to us. Being concerned and caring for our fellow man is not socialism; it is Christian, a word now foreign to our nation and its people.

  • David Dougherty

    While I certainly agree with your rebuttal of the liberals’ very tired and tiresome ploy of claiming that Jesus was a socialist, where in the world did you get the “fish” quote as being from the Bible?
    I Peter 1.7 says: “That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:”
    The “teach a man to fish…” etc. quote that you cite as being in I Peter 1.7 appears nowhere in the entire Bible.
    The last thing that the body of Christ needs in these last days is Christians who “quote” Bible verses that are fictitious.

  • Jim A

    Jesus was about calling the individual. He was about individual responsibility and individual action. And individual response to God’s call. Salvation is not a collective thing. Having the government take over and distribute everything takes the responsibility, and the opportunity to be truly and freely charitable, away from the individual, which is not Christian. Also, completely equal wealth distribution would only be fair and just if we could reset the game board and have everyone contribute exactly the same amount from the start and maintain that percentage of individual contribution, which we can’t. Oh, by the way – able bodied people living off the dole is economic injustice, because it needlessly takes from producers who have to work to support others who could do likewise, and it eats up resources which could be better directed towards those who honestly cannot do for themselves.

  • Buck

    Jesus was well above earthly politics , and he certainly did not accept wealth distribution by the government , after all the Romans would of got the handouts with tax money taken from the Jews .

  • cheryl jessup

    I think Margaret Thatcher said it best, “Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money”.

  • Dale

    1 Peter 1:7 does not say what you said it says. That teaching a man to fish thing I think is a Chinese proverb or something like that. Look it up before you quote it, save yourself some embarrassment.

  • Susan

    I agree with the statement but I Peter 1:7 does not talk about fish. That saying is from Lao Tzu who was the founder of taoism, the mystical ‘way’ or ‘path’
    When you decide to quote the Bible you need to be sure that you have researched and actually read the verse yourself. The Bible does teach us to work in so that we may eat. Please be careful with your Biblical references.

  • Not-a-RINO

    I recall years ago at the union shop I worked at someone mentioned the above Scripture, 2 Thessalonians 3:10, as proof conservative Christian Republicans want to starve the poor. I am sure the liberal twit that posted that charge is not the only one that tries to use the Bible to trash conservatives so if you run across someone like that, keep in mind the operative word in the verse is “will” – in other words if someone chooses to sit back and let everyone else cater to him, he is supposed to get nothing. This has nothing to do with the poor souls who are unable to work and feed themselves.

    Oh, one more thing, if you do run into a liberal twit who tries to use the Bible to trash you, have him read Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

  • El Lobo Solo

    If Jesus were a Liberal, he would have been carried around the hills of Judea in long black sedan chair & wore an Armanni toga with matching sandals by Gucci.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Jesus told the woman at the well “…to go & sin nomore”. If Jesus were a Liberal, he would have said, “If it feels good, just do it”.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Jesus said, “Seek ye the truth & the truth shall make you free”.

      If Jesus were a Liberal, he would say, “Seek ye the truth & if it makes you mad, blame someone else & seek ye an attorney”

  • http://Comcast John Randazzo

    Jesus was and still is theocratic.Since the first government was a theocracy…that is believing in one God….

  • Tom

    Jesus said that if a man does not work nor shall he eat.

  • John

    How ridiculous ! Jesus was on this earth long before some lefty loosey dreamed up socialism. Chronologically this premise is impossible. If you consult the Old Teatament, Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden and were told by God that they would henceforth have to live by the sweat of their brow. Who ever heard of a socialist living by the sweat of his own brow ? It never happens. Liberals, progressives,and socialists are all for spending everyone else’s wealth, but seldom if ever buck up their own treasure in the cause of their beloved socialism. Like Maggie Thatcher said, ” The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money to spend. “

  • shell holston

    These comments are widely polls apart, but the answers are in the Book Of Knowledge…The Bible, Giving is from the heart, but so is receiving, therefore if a person is receiving and yet can fend for himself, Jesus did say He who does not work does not eat. Obama’s Aunt is here illegally living off the American Taxpayer and yet she thinks it’s a miracle, but doesn’t feel there is anything wrong with that, as do millions of others…check out Washington.

  • albert w loescher

    Back in the 80’s, I was ridiculed when I suggested Christ was (is) a Social Entrepreneur. Humph! On Moody radio last year, I heard a well known evangelist say, “He is (was) a ‘social entrepreneur’”.

  • Sandi

    Feel free to use this yourself. Don’t mind if I do! Thanks!

  • nvrpc

    We must have a lot of socialist on this forum since there are so many that denie the truth that GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELF with all the (-) so if you’re a lazy (F) then just die because no one owe you a damn thing. GOT IT!!

  • barbpatton

    so we get our knickers in a knot over stupid trivialities – a rose by any other name smells as sweet – what is so important about this discussion? I just dont see the point of the vapid responses

  • Robert, TX

    Jesus said “render unto Caesar…” Well, Caesar took 20% and the temple took 10%, leaving the Jews with 70% of their production. By 2008, our govt. (fed. state & local) was chewing up 43% of our GDP (compared to 24% in 1950). So Bush AND Obama are the socialists.

  • Rusty

    i agree that Christ was no socialist but 1 Peter 1:7 really says “That the trial of your faith,being much more precious than gold that perishith, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:”

    if you are going to quote the Bible to make a point make sure you KNOW what the Bible says. the quote about giving a man a fish is NOT from the Bible but is an old Chineese proverb.

  • David Reynoldson

    what happens too people like who worked for thirty two then suffered adisabling injury.
    Who takes care of us then. Med bills drugs, handcap Equ. and so and so and so it never stops. Tell me that moneys collect from me for all the years I worked to pay for this very thing I should not get what I paid for?

  • Maynard Merrell

    I will say “no,” Jesus was not a socialist. Socialists are for a socialistic form of government, which is an “economic” form of government, which means that the people must obey the dictates of the govenment (The socialist that created and admininister the government)in order for the theory of sociaism to work. That means obediebnce at the point of a bayonet if necessary. For all of the people to share equally in the production of the masses, then all of the masses must be productive or enslaved by force. Those who don’t cooperate, who resist the government and its enforcers, will be eliminated, liquidated for being useless (there’s plenty of them around) and not good for the whole. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights allow us to be individuals and to shift and survive for ourselves. Individual freedom. We succeed or fail by our own hands. This is individual freedom. The only thing restricting freedom (and the restrictions would only apply to evil and useless people) would be the Ten Commandments. If we were all obedient to the Ten Commandments, there would be no need for a government to legislate laws of limitations on the evil people in order to protect the obedient people from the disobedient. Our personal richness would depend only on our individual honest labor, and charity to those unable to help themselves. In our country today we have in our government and elsewhere, those who are determined to deceive the people into socialism. It has not yet worked, but it will when those in charge finally use the point of the bayonet. Many will die until they succeed. There would be no unemployment. We have capitalism because we have individual freedom. V.I. Lenin wrote: “As long as capitalism (the free enterprice of free individuals) exist we cannot live in peace; in the end, one or the other will triumph – a funeral dirge will be sung over either the Soviet Republic or over world capitalism.” Take your pick. Do you want a conservative to preserve capitalism, or a socialist bent on enslaving you?

  • Cameron

    Mississippi is the buckle of the Bible belt, but we’ve got enough lazy dead-ass do-nothings here to repopulate California when those all die from starvation because they aren’t willing to work to survive.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Right Cameron:

      “In all labour there is profit:
      but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury”.

      Proverbs 14:23

    • daves

      “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. ” (1 Peter 2:18)

    • El Lobo Solo

      In antiquity, slavery was seen less as a racial issue & more as an unfortunate set of circumstances for those in bondage.
      viz: people got pressed into slavery due to indebtness (in some cases even Roman aristocrats), found guilty of a crime (rightly or wrongly), captured in battle or even non-combatant civilians belonging to the losing side of a war. Many affluent households had learned Greek tutors to educate their children.

      Many times, slavery is used as a metaphor to explain man’s spiritual inability to overcome the slavery of sin by his own means.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Ex 23:5, Pr 25:21, Mt 5:44, Lu 6:27, Ro 12:20, 1 Th 5:15

      PS Daves:
      In context with the above passages, your quote from 1 Peter enjoins all Christians to forbearance, meekness & non retaliation.
      Nearly impossible for most humans to do, unless one is a Saint. But then, every Saint has a past & every Sinner has a future.

    • Ron Alford

      Well, He doesn’t say slaves, but servants which we all should be to Jesus Christ. And He doesn’t say cruel, but froward or unreasonable. He also says, “Let us reason together, saith the Lord” and “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And, If we study His Word and keep His Commandments, then we will be able to overcome that unreasonable Boss, Representative, President and anyone else we need to overcome.

    • http://facebook ronald yurchak

      Jesus is our savior, he taught us to be compassionate. He changed the world forever, For the Good. I’m sure He abhores the liberal/socialists. God Please Help THEM.

    • Brett Tomlinson

      abhor [əbˈhɔː]
      vb -hors, -horring, -horred
      (tr) to detest vehemently; find repugnant; reject
      Did you really just say of Jesus that ” I’m sure He abhores the liberal/socialists.”? He broke bread with prostitutes and tax collectors and taught a religion of love and forgiveness to all.

      “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.”
      ― St. Francis of Assisi

    • Greg Shaw

      Well done. I agree with you on this. It is interesting how people ‘take God’s name in vane’.

    • bdm

      Just one correction:

      1 Peter 1:7 — does not say the quote you gave .. the origin of that quote is unknown.

      You got the other one right .. :-)

    • Pilgrimian

      Yeah, that was embarrassing.

    • Tom Stewart

      Right-On Cameron However The Problem With California Are The “Illegal Aliens Like Locusts Have Sucked Them Dry” Thanks To Obama/Soros/Holder. God Bless America.

    • Delores P. Darrah

      …………………….The parable of the ………………………………………………………………………………………….talents, Matthew 25:14-30, regarding how the servants made use of what was given them is most interesting.

      People interpret Scripture to their convenience. However, my iterpretation does not see ……………..Jesus a a Socialist. He encouraged “helping the poor” and I do and ……………believe that. There are people who really need help. However, welfare is abused and if there were a way to monitor the “truth of it” we would see and understand the abuse.

      We encounter young people (all races) talking about, “they are having a baby but will not get married because if they do, the government will not contribute to the welfare of the child.” How the government will help them is shared among the young and they already know how to “take advangage.”
      Jesus said, “the poor you have with you always.” But he also condemned “lazy” people. “To whom much is given, much is required.” I was raised “middle to lower” income. I got a job at age 13 (in the old days). My mom taught us to work for a living. God blesses us when we “work.” We taught our children to “go above and beyond to do a job well done.” And they are all successful and all work hard for what they have. We give to the poor, but we now see persons “working the system…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

  • James L

    I agree with nearly everything that Ms. Murell said. I do not believe Jesus was a socialist, either. However, she must have used the reference to 1 Peter 1:7 tongue in cheek. It says nothing about feeding someone fish nor teaching him/her to fish. I quote: “These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold,which perishes even though refined by fire–may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.” 1 Peter 1:7 NIV (By the way, 2 Thessalonians 3:10 was quoted correctly.)

  • Ithamar

    Such ignorance of Scripture is without excuse. The phrase you attribute to Peter (give a man a fish, ect.)is no where to be found in the Bible.

    • RCPLady

      Thank you! I agree. This author, while making an extremely good point, has created an issue that those who are pumping this poison into society can exploit to their own purposes. The Bible has nothing like what is attributed to Peter. The Thessalonian quote is spot on. It’s just unfortunate that a moment’s laxness could cost this author some credibility points. But the sentiment of the article is dead on target. Jesus was not a socialist. He’s God. What He gave was His to give and He gave it freely, no tax involved!

    • Doktor Riktor Von Zhades

      Actually the quote is an ancient Chinese proverb.This being said, it does argue a point that a government that gives you everything creates a dependency on said government. Once one learns to be self sufficient, the need for government to supply you becomes a moot point.

    • Beth

      Agree! Shame on you writer for giving the wrong words for a Bible verse.

    • Ej

      Amen to that, misquote. That is no where in the Bible. My prayer is that everyone would take time out from the hustle of life and give God’s Word a chance to heal some brokeness.

    • swardus

      Even though the scripture reference is wrong, the misquote is still a well-known saying, and I consider it to be true, none the less.

    • Thomas Beckett

      Liberals always misquote and lie, because they have no concept of love and goodness. They think in terms of the end justifies the means. They are far from God and become dangerous , cruel, unhappy because of this.

    • LordHORSEY

      Good “catch.”

  • Peter S. Chamberlain

    When I was State Editor of the Student Division of a major denomination, about fifty years ago, I knew, for example, one Ph.D. college professor and Sunday school teacher, who was a very nice guy, pro-life, etc., but who, along with others I had contact with at the top of certain offices of the denomination, was convinced and taught, citing some scriptures such as the early church “holding all things in common,” that Jesus was not only a Socialist but a lower-case communist. Wrong. In the same text, St. Peter noted that Ananias and his wife, who lied and claimed to have given all, had every right to keep as much of the sale price of their lot as they wanted, and had done nothing wrong until they claimed to have given what they had not. This “holding in common” was a voluntary association, like a modern partnership, and there was no taxation or other coercion. God’s tax code is also a whole lot lower, simpler, and fairer than the Internal Revenue Code and Regulations, which are both several volumes longer than the whole Bible.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Why is the Right wing always called Conservative & the Left wing called Liberal?

      “The heart of the Wise inclines to the Right,
      but the heart of the Fool to the Left”.
      Ecclesiastes 10:2

    • Tammy

      The Right isn’t always called conservative. That’s a mistake. Conservatives wish to conserve the founding principles of America. It may be a branch of the “right”, but it’s clear that the “right” doesn’t always go along.

      Be careful of labels. They tend to become distorted over time and their meanings change.

    • El Lobo Solo

      Right, the more things change the more they remain the same.

      The terms Left wing & Right wing date back to the French Revolution. When the French Assembly met, the legislators who represented the business, merchantile & upper class took seats on the right side of the chambers. Representatives from the lower classes grouped together on the Left side.

  • Dave McMullen

    I agree with your thining, but you must have cut and pasted from the wrong place. Peter never said that. But he did have several things to say that demonstrate that he was no socialist.

  • Zoe

    Actually 1 Peter 1:7 says “That the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perished, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ. By all means quote scripture, but make sure that you open you Bible and quote it correctly.

  • El Lobo Solo

    Jesus cast out the demons from the afflicted man & put them in a herd of swine that ran off a cliff. If Jesus were a Liberal, he would have gotten an opinion from PETA first to determine if this was cruelty to animals.

    • AnyD

      El Lobo, By today’s standards that act was the liberal thing to do. They weren’t his pigs!
      I am NOT saying Jesus did the wrong thing. His heart was for the person, not the pigs.

      Truth is that Jesus was neither conservative or liberal. He was perfect in every way. He was the living incarnate Only begotten Son of the Most High God. To attach any worldly association to Him is folly. I hate to see any side claim that Jesus was on their side. The point is to be on Jesus side, whereever that puts you in the world scheme.

      That said, His ministry has a lot more conservative principles than liberal ones.

    • Doktor Riktor Von Zhades

      Well said. Christ Jesus was NOT about any worldly wisdom. His, wisdom came from above, that is to say our Creator.

      “For the foolishness of God is wiser than men,and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” – 1 Corinthians 1:25

      “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness
      with God: for it is written, cHe 1catcheth the wise in their own craftiness.’ – 1 Corinthians 3:19

    • El Lobo Solo

      Forgot to consider the ownership of the swine, maybe they were feral hogs. We have a lot of them in my area & they root up & tear things up.

    • El Lobo Solo

      PS: Anyway, the scripture does not say if they were processed for the meat. What a waste of good spare ribs.

    • darrell

      while the bible doesnt specifically state if the pigs were processed for food ,the bible does say they ran over a cliff and into the sea

    • Random

      There seems to be a considerable amount of falsely perceiving Jesus to be have been a liberal by today’s standards. This comes from those promoting a “social” gospel in order to justify their propensity to confiscate the gain of others for the good of all. In actuality, Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man, which meant he adhered to a level of conservatism that transcends anything of our modern concepts of “liberal vs. conservative”.

    • Adam

      They were called “swine” – a reference used for wild pigs, so they did not belong to any man. So, in point of fact, they WERE Jesus’ pigs.

      And @budman:
      The Bible was not written by men recounting events from memory. It was written by holy men of God who wrote exactly what God told them to write. In short, they were taking dictation. So it certainly is the Word of God – He just used men’s hands to write it down. 2 Peter 1:20-21

    • Thomas Beckett

      If Jesus were on earth now, we see huge herds of liberals running into the rivers to drown.

    • patinwilliamsburg

      Christ is coming sooner than most think!

  • keith

    you got the second reference right what happened withe the first because that is not in the bible.
    i do not believe Christ was a socialis,the verses in acts which tell of everyone giving to help others was there choice not the government.

  • Olesarge

    Those who have read the complete scripture about feeding the masses will know that Jesus had his Disciples gather all the scraps that amounted to the fish and bread he started with. He then gave it back to the person who gave it to him. Had Jesus been a true socialist he wouldn’t have given any of it back.

  • showme

    Although you make some very good points, you completely lose credibility when you blatantly misquote Scripture. The “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day” phrase is an old proverb or saying, but certainly was never part of God’s Word. Argue your point intelligently, it’s not that hard to do but be sure of that which you quote.

  • Deglet Ovrosco

    Jesus’ message at all times was for people to repent and seek the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s funny how libs only quote Jesus when it serves their purposes. Most of the time they take the name of God in vain and laugh about it…they don’t know what they are playing with.

  • helen

    God bless you and Mike and thank you Ann-Marie for posting this…Excellent!!

  • Michael Honohan

    As ALWAYS, the right wing is either stupid or misinformed. Marx himself admits he based his ideas for Marxism on “primitive socialism” What conservatives are talking about is STATE Socialism and is only one form. I myself am a libertarian socialist and we book no involvement of the State whatsoever. Similar to primitive socialism, the idea that primitive tribes shared equitablely both the work required and the benefits enjoyed. Virtually no one short of mentally confused radicals advocate anything the resembles State Socialism.

    I could excuse the right wing for their ignorance and misconceptions if it were not for the active and aggregious misuse. Two chief cases off the top of my head.

    1) Obama is a socialist. Bullshit, Obama is a Corporatist. Socialists do NOT bailout capitalist bankers. No one can find a single socialist who credits Obama with a single move toward socialism. Obama is a Corporatist and we hate that. We do respect the free market, not only because we can recognize its advantages, but also because primitive socialism dove-tails with the free market. While tribes practices socialism within the group, tribes traded with other tribes based on free market values. This is the natural state of man.

    2) Welfare is Socialism. Maybe Corporste Welfare, but not what poor people get. How so? Examine the rule of socialism: From each according to ability, to each according to need. Under socialism, nobody receives their needs who has not contributed. Socialism is not wealth redistribution. Wealth redistribution is capitalism. Via the market, wealth is redistributed every day from purchasers to producers. Under pure socialism, wealth is common so distribution is required. (Yes, it IS true that attempts as socialism outside of the West has largely been market by an initial wealth redistribution. As a libertarian socialist, I reject that. However, American Conservatives associated with the GOP, the Tea Party, and David Koch psuedo-libertarians, stand united against Occupy Wall Street and with the system that allows the Wall Street banks, via their Federal Reserve to distribute Federal Reserve Notes to banks domestic and abroad. They atand with a government that takes money from The People and gives it to solar energy plants (Democrats) and oil giants (Republicans).

    If the Tea Party was made up of Patriot Americans, they would join the rest of the 99% who, despite Fox News reporting, is largely Americans who welcome a free market but not one run and favoring a Corporatist cabal like the Fed and Wall Street. While they cry loud about a few hippies on the street, they are mum about a Federal Reserve that delivered 16 TRILLION DOLLARS to banks around the world and left their own IRAs and homes lesser in value. Not mention how much less their money will be worth when the economy completes is reaction to trillions of unbacked fiat money from the Fed, complete supported by Democrats AND Republicans.

    But not Ron Paul. Believe whatever none sense that makes you feel good during an Obama Adminstration, just pick the right guy in 2012. If you pay attention, that is not Corporatist Romney or Federal Reserver Cain. Its Ron Paul, founder of the Tea Party.

  • Madeline

    This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard about the Lord jesus Christ. PERIOD.

  • joe

    Give a man a fish, etc., is NOT only not in Ppeter 1:7, that quote is NOT in the bible at all. It is a Chinese proverb. I, too, for many years thought that quote was biblical.

  • http://verizon Ann Rand

    This is not Bible Class here. Everyone has their own interpretation, so leave them alone. At least they are aware of Jesus and his teachings.Could be that no one here is 100% right,but at least their heart is in the right place.

    • SamF

      No, this isn’t Bible class and true, everyone is free to interpret as they belive. But the Scripture referenced can in no way be interpreted as quoted.
      An otherwise compelling article is diminished in value by misquoting.
      This proves the adage: One uh-oh totally erases 1000 at-a-boys (girls).

    • budman

      Exactly: Isn’t it true that everything in the bible was not written by Jesus but by others who followed after so what Jesus did or said is from memory? Does anyone know of anything written by Jesus in historical archives? Even biblical scholars sometimes disagree on what was meant by certain scripture so this is expected.
      I do not claim to be knowledgeable of scripture even though my father was a minister and do not think arguing solves anything. The one thing I am certain of is that God does exist and it was an incredible experience I had which happened years ago that defies explanation by the scientific community. It would take up far too much space to explain what happened but it took me from certain death into a safe area with no recollection of what had just happened.

    • http://verizon Ann Rand

      budman…. Angels are everywhere!

    • Tom Stewart

      Thats Called “Whacky Tobacco”.

  • JayelK

    God gave humans ‘free will’, and will judge us all on how we applied that free will to ‘love your neighbor’, among other things found in the 10 commandments.
    Jesus taught to individuals to open their hearts, to love one another and to help one another.
    Jesus did NOT teach us to give that free will to a government bureaucracy or to remove that responsiblity from us as individuals.

    A socialist/communist government wishes to remove God, and remove free will, to enable the goverment to act in HIS place.

    Charity begins with the INDIVIDUAL’S WILLINGNESS to sacrifice to help others. Socialism begins with a group’s DEMAND that others sacrifice to help others.
    Jesus taught charity, not socialism.

  • dem hater

    socialism brings tyranny over mass people.

    Jesus brought peace and charity wolrdwide..

  • ezout

    God helps those who help themselves.

    Socialists have no intention of ever expecting anyone to take care of themselves…they will steal from others in order to buy votes that will then maintain their power and influence.

    • Thomas Beckett

      Socialists help themselves to those who help them.

  • El Lobo Solo

    Jim Jones of Jones Town, Guyana was a self avowed socialist. If a socialist Jesus was his model, then I might venture that this would make Adolf Hitler a saint. UGH !!!

  • http://x Washington22

    What a perposterous question, in the first place. It seems blasphemous and irreverent, at best. God forgive us……….

    • http://x Washington22

      I’m being moderated for expressing my belief that the question of asking if Jesus was a socialist is blasphemous at best………..This is only my second comment of the day and the moderation police are already at it. They love the power, I’m sure. I also suggest for God above to forgive those who would disrespect him…….

  • Yellow Horse

    Sorry liberals but Jesus is the son of God Almighty!!!Neither a liberal or a socialist be. The savivor of all mankind!!! Only Jesus died for man’s sins!!!And only God could let him die in that agony!

    • darrell

      if you read the scripture you would know that christ said no one takes my life i have been given the authority to lay down my life and to take it up again

  • chris

    Psalm 109:8 “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

  • Atlas Shruggery

    Republican Jesus says, “Healing the sick without making a profit is Socialism.”

    • El Lobo Solo

      Jesus was not trying to earn a living by healing the sick.

      Jesus healing the sick was a demostration of God’s grace & power. It was a gift to those who would have faith.

  • Shane Anderson

    I am struggling to see Jesus running a program on “the fundamentals of how to make money or how to manage it so that it grows for them” either. Just maybe this article just like to socialists you are decrying is presenting your personal views and trying to attach them to Jesus rather than searching out who he really is.

  • Fothergillfgirl

    Christ’s apostle, Paul, taught that the idler was not to eat the bread of the laborer. I imagine that Paul was being true to what Christ taught him.

    Christ was a carpenter… HE WORKED! Socialists let the government take care of them.

  • Fothergillfgirl

    p.s. Christ gave/healed without mandate from the government. He paid his taxes and gave of His own free will. There was no redistribution.

  • bluqe

    Jesus, a socialist? Probably, but who the hell cares? What does jesus have to do with the idiot in the White House.
    My personal evaluation of Obama is very short but accurate.
    Case closed.

  • bluqe

    Why do we continue to cloud the issue with things such as religion. What the hell on this earth has divided people more than religion? Nothing. Forget about it, this is about Obama, his methods, his lies and beyond all else his incompetance on the job.
    If you are not convinced of this by now, you deserve him.

  • Paul

    God nor Jesus took from one to give to another. Socialist do so. If you look at the welfare system in this country that is what you have. People working to pay for babies they didn’t make and their health care also. To spread socalism you need to keep as many people dependant on government that God and that is how it takes hold of a country. All you need to do is look at Europe and see what is going on over there.

  • Melody

    Um.. 1 Peter 1:7 is “1 Peter 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, I believe the quote about giving a man a fish is often attributed to confuscious.

  • Ron Alford

    2Corinthians 2:17 says, “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”. And, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. And, “Let us reason together, saith the Lord”. In other words if we work together with the love of God in us through Jesus Christ His Son, there is no limit to what we can accomplish together.
    Jesus is the complete opposite of Socialism, which is the glove that fits the Communist Dictator’s hand.
    Socialism is strictly for the State. The motto is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”.
    In other words the State will take everything from you, and everybody else, and give you only what you need.
    A Capitalistic Democracy is the greatest system in the world, but there is no such thing as a true Democracy unless it is a Christian Democracy.
    Without Jesus Christ in every man’s heart, there is nothing to regulate the two extremes, the very greedy and the very needy.

  • El Lobo Solo

    If Jesus were a Liberal, he would not have Risen in three days. Union labor & not Angels would have moved the stone. The stone would have been rolled away by the local “Stone Workers” guild only after the weekend was over & only after 9:00am Monday.

  • Brad Naksuthin

    I think the best form of government is a hybrid system that combines the best of socialism, capitalism, democracy and strong government controls.
    The western free market capitalist system is just as much a dysfunctional dying system as a pure communist system was.

    Look at the The United States and Europe. They are on economic life support: high unemployment, a meltdown in the housing market, stock markets gyrating out of control,a failed banking system, a widening gap between the rich and the poor, a dysfunctional democratic government unable to make decisions, Trillions of dollars in government debt, families living off credit cards, dismally low savings rate, anemic growth in GDP, crumbling infrastructure, failing educational system, loss of manufacturing power, big trade deficits

    Now compare that with Socialist China: explosive GDP growth of 9 percent per year for the last 32 years, the fastest growing economy on earth, a growing middle class with Per capita income nearly quadrupling in the last 15 years, trade surpluses year after year, a strong manufacturing and export economy, huge foreign investment, skyrocketing worker productivity of 3.9 percent growth year after year, no government debt, rising wages, huge investment in infrastructure, the biggest dam in the
    world, the longest bridge, high speed rail projects, a strong government controlled banking system insulated from the debt crisis in Europe and the US.

    In just 32 years China’s managed socialist-capitalist economy and strong central government has taken China from a third world poverty stricken nation to the fastest growing economy on earth…now
    ranking number two behind the US…and, as economist all over the world predict …soon to be number one.

    Socialist China with its strong central government and managed capitalist system has run rings around Free market capitalist western countries over the last 30 years and created what is being called by everyone “the Chinese miracle”

  • Coach D

    Wow you people give us real Christians such a bad name. What ever happened to “don’t judge lest ye be judged.”
    I’m not a “Liberal” nor a “conservative” those are all views created by Ceasar and I choose to “give unto caesar that which is caesar’s” and the rest to my lord and savior.

  • Coach D

    PS someone got it wrong “Socialism” in Marx’s philosophy is the end game, and Communism is the bridge to get there. It is mainstream media and ignorance that has somehow made socialism to be “big Goverment” when in theory socialism is what takes places when all institutions are washed away and replaced with a social order of humans who need not laws and societal structures like nations and goverments.

  • robert grimes

    the book of acts and jesus sayings are socialist